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I wonder what it will cost? If the cost is comparable to CF then you haven't gained much, have you?

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Well, they say it is much stronger as well as being light weight. CF is strong but can be very brittle in a collision. If this stuff is more damage resistant I would be very interested.
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That's pretty cool, I hope cost is about the same as fiberglass or hopefully cheaper

Hey, one can dream right?
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http://www.foresightvehicle.org.uk/

Edit: Press release with high res pictures:
http://www.foresightvehicle.org.uk/s...p?doc_id=10723

Edit2: Quote from the document in there:
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Dr Brendon Weager, of Chesterfield-based firm NetComposites, was project manager on RECYCLE. He said: “Using this new material has a host of advantages. It will be easier and less expensive to mass-produce than other materials, because the tooling does not have to cope with high pressures or abrasive materials.

“The finish is much smoother than glass fibre reinforced plastics and it is safer to handle by human operators.”

The research has also found ways of bonding and joining SrPP products to other materials and to other parts made from SrPP.

Now the major technical hurdles have been overcome, the scientists are working towards full production and several vehicle manufacturers are taking a keen interest.

There has also been a spin-off to other industries. The RECYCLE scientists are now looking at other applications of the light, strong and totally recyclable plastics. They can be used to make shin pads for footballers, body armour, helmets and even suitcases – all products that need strong, lightweight plastics that do not harm the environment when they come to the end of their product lives.

More than 400 UK companies and universities have been participating in the industry-backed Foresight Vehicle initiative, which is led by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).
Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT). web site:

http://www.smmt.co.uk/

Also a google search for SMMT Foresight Lotus, turned a lot of documents:

Technollogy used to create personalized custome made parts for your cars like seats steering wheels etc, designed by the driver.

http://www.newcarnet.co.uk/feat_arti...?id=4042&pos=1

A STUDY OF THE UK AUTOMOTIVE ENGINE INDUSTRY:
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/docs/E...portUpdate.pdf

Now I'll have to find time to read those links myself

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New plastics coming for the Elise and other cars?

http://www.rednova.com/news/science/..._plastic_cars/

A Breakthrough for Plastic Cars

The perfection of plastic cars has taken a major leap forward following a dramatic breakthrough by UK scientists.

Conventional metal vehicles could become a thing of the past if they can be replaced by plastic ones without any disadvantages.

An increasing number of body parts are now plastic which are as strong as steel, much lighter and can be totally recycled. Until now, technical difficulties have prevented plastic replacing a larger number of parts.

But now there has been a major breakthrough.

During a two-year research programme, the scientists have cracked the problem of how to use special new plastics that are six times as strong as normal yet are light and totally recyclable.

This opens the door to a range of car, truck and van parts that can be made more simply and cheaply than conventional components.

The ultra-strong and light parts will help lower exhaust emission levels and increase fuel economy. The biggest advantage is that the plastics can be reduced to crumbs very easily and inexpensively and then re-used.

The breakthrough was made by a consortium of engineers and scientists working on RECYCLE, a research programme under the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders Foresight Vehicle initiative.

They were looking at new ways of working with self-reinforced polypropylene (SrPP) ( much stronger than normal polymers.

The material is made by stretching and aligning molecules in the plastic by a complex heating and weaving process. Until now, it was difficult to shape, join and paint for mass production.

The engineers have now overcome those problems and perfected techniques allowing car-makers to mass-produce parts using SrPP.

The scientists have produced trial parts for the Lotus Elise sports car that are more than half the weight of conventional parts.

Now the major technical hurdles are overcome, they are working towards full production and several vehicle manufacturers are taking an interest.

Source: The Journal - Newcastle-upon-Tyne

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If they could be made inexpensive enough, plastics like this could totally change the lifespan of a car. Imagine if they were cheap enough, you could just toss/recycle your pitted panels, pick a new color, and drive off showroom-new.

With cheap plastic over ugly bumper structures, minor insurance claims could be reduced to panel replacement.
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Be happy that your Elise so far does not have panels made out of self-reinforced polypropylene.

In case these are damaged you really will need new ones every time.

Lotus should better continue to copy materials used in aircraft industry e.g. as described in:
http://ils.pennnet.com/Articles/Arti...ICLE_ID=200238
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The scientists have produced trial parts for the Lotus Elise sports car that are more than half the weight of conventional parts.
Ya gotta love the language... solid lead parts would also weight more than half the weight of conventional parts. ... and they'd be a pretty close match for my colour.

I wonder how the plastics would do at minus 40.

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