Who Offers a Modification Free Radiator? - LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community
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Wizard Cooling (current model) 0 0%
Sector 111 - ProRad (triple pass) 3 27.27%
Sector 111 - ProRad FP (single pass) 5 45.45%
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Who Offers a Modification Free Radiator?

Sorry to report on a subject that is already been talked to death, but I've spent the better part of my 40 hr work week, surfing this forum seeking one simple answer.
Which company offers a replacement rad that I can purchase which requires no modification to install? (So that the dealership doesn't charge me extra labour hours).
Since I'm getting my oil line recall done, and the dealer may (or may not) have to remove my front clam - now is the time to replace the OEM rad that is certain to eventually fail.

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Sector111 is one such company.

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Both versions made by Pro Alloy (single and triple pass) fit without modification, Sector111 is their US distributor (Sector111's "ProRad").

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I didn't need to modify a thing with my triple pass.

Just moved to Phoenix, anyone else here?
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They will charge you more since there is labor involved in exchanging the radiator. Even if they just put an OEM unit in. It's going to take them extra hours as discussed in another thread on the same subject last week.

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f361...w-much-125095/

Details in above thread.
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Wizard says they are shipping my radiator today. I will let you know next weekend.

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the current wizard rad is a fair bit bigger than OE or pro-alloy,and it will require some extra work... they're coming out with a thinner one for direct fit.

We generally keep pro alloy and wizard in stock, *proper* single pass config, but out at this time. Some kind of crazy rush on rads the last 8 months or so...

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I fully expect to pay for the dealer to install the new rad, but I want to minimize the extra labour to modify the rad in order to get it to fit.

Wizard emailed me saying that they are approx 1 month away from an OEM fit (thinner model). I'd prefer to stick with a model that other's have been had experience with, so I can minimize surprises.

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They will charge you more since there is labor involved in exchanging the radiator. Even if they just put an OEM unit in. It's going to take them extra hours as discussed in another thread on the same subject last week.

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f361...w-much-125095/

Details in above thread.

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Check out the one From eliseparts even with shipping from overseas you will get it in 3-4 days and it will probably be cheaper than prorad by about $200

http://www.eliseparts.com/products/s...sure-radiator/


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I purchased this one. It was easy to install:

Forge Motorsport oy Radiator LOTUS EXIGE 2006 - 2009 FMLOTRAD

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I have the prorad triple from sector111 in Fl never seen 200+ even in traffic fwiw


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Just got word that the Wizard Cooling radiator I supplied to the dealer was going to require an additional 2 hours of labor to install. Brackets have to be modified and spacers made so the condenser doesn't get mashed into the radiator.

This radiator is not as "direct fit" as the manufacturer advertises. Here is what their website says:

This is a direct fit radiator for all MK1 Elise, MK2 Elise, MK1 Exige, MK2 Exige, 340R and cars with or without air conditioning. The stock radiator has a 1 row core that is 1.25" thick (1.5" thick on the VX220 Turbo). The core on this new performance radiator is 2.25" thick. This unit is TIG welded (Not MIG), and there is NO epoxy on this radiator.

100% made in the USA

Doing the install on this radiator is more time consuming than doing an install of a factory replacement radiator. Keep in mind that this radiator is 3/4" thicker than the stock radiator. This radiator is the largest most efficient radiator on the market for this application. Due to the this additional thickness you should be aware that you may need to temporarily disconnect the A/C line and/or the oil cooler lines in order to install this radiator. If you do not need the additional cooling of this radiator, or are unwilling to tackle the install you should consider our thinner version. The thinner version have a core that is more efficient than the stock radiator and does not require the temporary disconnect of the A/C and oil cooler lines.

I was expecting to have the dealer disconnect A/C and or oil cooler lines to install the radiator, but I wasn't expecting them to have to make additional modifications (drill holes, modify brackets and make spacers).

So, my new $500 radiator just turned into a $700 radiator. If you have deleted your air conditioner then you probably won't have as many issues with the installation.

In hind sight I would have purchased the proRad-FP radiator from Sector 111.

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Just got my Wizard in today.

I so want to rush out and install it, but my lovely bride is telling me all the other things I WILL be doing.

Hope to install it during the week next week.

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Well, I just installed the radiator.

The job sucks. The fact that the Wizard radiator is thicker only made the job suck slightly more.

The only great surprise is that 1 person can get the clam off/on without much hassle. And the clam weighs surprising little.

Its a very slow process. Lotus is amazing at putting two fasteners next to each other, like overlapping next to each other. 4 bolts that hold the back of the radiator on, two are easy to remove, 2 are under a bracket. Would have not taken any additional cost to shift the bracket 1/2 inch over and you could have easily gotten to all 4 bolts. Many, many other examples of this that makes the job suck.


If you have the competence to remove and reinstall the clam, and I bet you do, the Wizard mod is no big thing.

If you dont have the competence to remove and reinstall the clam, the bucks they charge suddenly dont see so extreme

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Well, I just installed the radiator.

The job sucks. The fact that the Wizard radiator is thicker only made the job suck slightly more.
I should have said, the one i recommended was the same dims as the factory rad.

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I should have said, the one i recommended was the same dims as the factory rad.
From what I saw, replacing the radiator WITH a factory radiator would, well, suck.

digging into the car this deep reveals that Lotus is still a cottage industry designer. If VW or Toyota or Kia or any modern car company produced this, the job would have taken 1/3 the time, and used standardized fasteners (again in non overlapping layouts).

Lotus was so concerned about ease of manufacturing that the front under-tray, that goes from the front clam to the axle line, is held on with 10 bolts, 3 different types of 8mm bolts. 10 bolts seems excessive, but the three different types of 8mm bolts is, well, it sucks.

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I'm going to tackle this in the next week or so. I hate to hear its such a pita.

I was expecting coolant bleeding to be the hard bit

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