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Lotus Super Mini approved for 2013!



Of all of the car to debut in Paris I found the City Car Concept to be the most intriguing.

Bahar has now announced the car will be built. I hope there is a Lotus version and it is sold in the US.

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Lotus supermini 'here in October 2013' - Bahar

By Tim Pollard


16 December 2010 12:16


Lotus's proposed supermini has been approved and will be built in partnership with parent company Proton and a third car manufacturer, Lotus chief executive Dany Bahar has told CAR.

'Our city car has been confirmed and will be launched in October 2013,' he said. 'We are doing this together with Proton and another OEM [original equipment manufacturer, or car maker].

'We will build three versions: one for the Asian market, one for Europe and a sportier one.'

Lotus supermini: the background
The Lotus City Car concept was the mystery sixth car unveiled at the Paris motor show. Although the show stand was hogged by the five sports cars, the supermini was also shown with a production intent.

Although the concept car originated in Hethel and packs Lotus's range-extender know-how (the 1.2-litre triple used to charge the battery pack is the same as in Jaguar's LimoGreen project), it is in fact being mostly engineered for production overseas.

New technical director Wolf Zimmermann confirmed his team were not actively working on the Lotus supermini at present, as their engineering resource focuses on the new sports cars, and especially the new 2013 Esprit.

Proton and Lotus
Proton has a rising foothold in the Malaysian market - 'on track to have a 30% market share,' according to Bahar. He said Proton had a new management team who were serious about expanding beyond the domestic market.

'Over the past 15 years, Proton has had no profit at all from Lotus,' admitted Bahar. 'They decided to sell it or give it another chance. But if they had sold it 12 months ago, there were no buyers and the price would have been far too low.

'The only option was to go into expansion and try again.'

Talk about expansion. With an ambitious plan to launch five sports cars in five years, Lotus has come out fighting. That it will have a supermini in the range too is an exciting development for Hethel. And who could that mystery third partner be?

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Nice looking car but "HOW MUCH?" I suggest to Mr. Bahar if he's watching to move their production line to Malaysia and thus keep cost down, heck right now their craftsmanship sucks anyways...

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Bahar mentions it is to be produced in conjunction with Proton and another OEM and that there will be a version for Asia, a version for Europe and a Sportier one.

Now the speculation:

Clearly it would be a boon to Proton to produce the car for the Asian market. It would be interesting if the Lotus/Genii/Renault deal could indicate the European OEM would be Renault?

I really would like to see the Sporty version be a Lotus and for it to be sold in the US. I hope I am reading into this statement correctly:

'We will build three versions: one for the Asian market, one for Europe and a sportier one.'

That while the regular version will be made for Aisian and European markets, the sportier version may be destined for a broader market.

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It is certain that the world is moving towards small "personal", "city" vehicles. No we won't all be driving them all the time. But they will be everywhere you look. As common as drivers distracted by their phones.
So in this market there has to be some choice other than absolute pure economy and monumental boredom.
Could Lotus produce such? Sure.

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The cool city cars are those with a retro look such as the Fiat Abarth, Mini or Aston. Since Lotus has abandoned it's styling heritage, this just looks like a Proton though it has some of the new Lotus styling elements.
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why didn't we see this coming!!

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If it's sold in the US as a Lotus, don't you think it would dillute the brand that's also selling a $180k+ Esprit? Buyers of exclusive, ultra-expensive supercars generally don't like seeing their prized logos on grocery-getting city cars.
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If it's sold in the US as a Lotus, don't you think it would dillute the brand that's also selling a $180k+ Esprit? Buyers of exclusive, ultra-expensive supercars generally don't like seeing their prized logos on grocery-getting city cars.
not that i disagree.. but i present to you the aston martin cygnet.
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He's killing the brand. This is stupid..
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i lubs it. i want one

odds are it won't be lotus branded. probably (if ever) sold in the us as a smart or something. Lotus turns out lots of concepts "for sale" like the APX - its not saying lotus will build, and sell it as a lotus.

its awesome technology. i would love to have one.

the problem is manufacturers need to meet fleet effeciency regulations. Aston is all independant now. ferrari rolls up to bajillion fiat puntos, Lambo a gazillion tdi golfs. so aston needs to "manufacture" an offset vehicle. no one is dictating a price or how, and if the even sell them. they just need to meet the regulations requirments.

Lotus doens't have that problem under proton.

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meh, I like the new fiat abarth better.
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Isn't there some new law or rule coming into play where the entire car lineup has to be at least 30mpg avg? This is why Aston is coming out with that tiny car. Same for Lotus. I wonder if Ferrari or Lambo will have one as well? Even Cadillac had one of these as a concept at the LA show. It was pretty awesome.

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You should look at the Proton UK website. While the new super mini isn't listed there, every Proton model (all 3 .. 4 if you count one car being used twice) except the very base model touts the Lotus engineering used in both the engine and suspension. Proton has definitely been keeping some of the engineers at Lotus busy.
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