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Please elaborate; I've had my 2 door since 2012 with all the trimmings, no complaints, relatively good MPG, doesn't have mechanical issues like the G1 Disco, it'll hold Costco runs, and doesn't have 2 doors too many.
I've unloaded luggage, a kid's car seat, and people from an old Impreza and had a very difficult time getting everything into one of those things. Front seat passenger has to move all the way up to fit the car seat that had no problem in the Subaru and luggage stacked to the ceiling where it all sat on the floor. How a vehicle that size can hold so little is amazing.
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I've unloaded luggage, a kid's car seat, and people from an old Impreza and had a very difficult time getting everything into one of those things. Front seat passenger has to move all the way up to fit the car seat that had no problem in the Subaru and luggage stacked to the ceiling where it all sat on the floor. How a vehicle that size can hold so little is amazing.
You are right across the board, I have the two door Evoque, which makes all of what you've described even more like ingress and egress from an Elige - maybe that's why I don't mind it, and also because I'm at the post children stage of life.
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As Frank Zappa says "I, for one, care less for them". When a Porsche goes by I have no idea what it is because they all look the same. Germans are not very brave when it comes to style. Weird yes, brave , not so much.
To get a evenly equipped Macan it would be 75-80K in a loaded s or GTS trim. A Quadrofoglio will have a Turbo for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I will agree with you on that point. Either the German cars are conservative or weird, not much in the way of beauty.
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I will agree with you on that point. Either the German cars are conservative or weird, not much in the way of beauty.
Plus the venerable four-leaf clover worn by more brutish Alphas.
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I HAD A 2015 RANGE ROVER EVOQUE DYNAMIC COUPE FOR 15 MONTHS. LOVED THE VEHICLE BUT THE tranny was the worst piece of crap I have ever experienced in the modern era. Unprogrammable Great eye candy though. I wish they would admit their stupidity on this one because my RRS is a PURE DREAM.

Go drive a Quadrofoglio Stelvio and I dare you to come back unimpressed.

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I HAD A 2015 RANGE ROVER eEVOQUE DYNAMIC COUPE FOR 15 MONTHS. LOVED THE VEHICLE BUT THE tranny was the worst piece of crap i have ever experienced in the modern era. unprogrammable Great eye candy though. Iwish they would admit their stupidity on this one because my RRS is a PURE DREAM.

Go drive a Quadrofoglio Stelvio and I dare you to come back unimpressed.
A very timely post, today my Evoque's all-terrain selection was engaging the low geared steep descend multiple times on its own - I'm glad Tubular Bells was not playing on the radio simultaneously.
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Wait till you see the coupe they are readying for release by fall.. OMG!!!!!!!!! only clue is 641!!!

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This would be a M car killer.
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This would be a M car killer.
No stick. Slow spiral of the enthusiasts community continues.
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No stick. Slow spiral of the enthusiasts community continues.
Nor does this other car made by the Fiat Corporation.
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This would be a M car killer.
It already is according to Randy Pobst and that was v an M4Comp GTS!! The transmission is a true sweetheart and part of what makes even my tiSport so engaging! THe manual will be revered by the diehards's but unless you want to get blown away by everything out there, it's time to adapt. Many of these new cars rev and are just plain too quick for the box. Reason why racing has been getting away from it for years now. Don't see them living in the past. Don't get me wrong, its still fun, but I've said it a thousand times, if Evora had this tranny or a PDK type unit....I'd own it.

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It already is according to Randy Pobst and that was v an M4Comp GTS!! The transmission is a true sweetheart and part of what makes even my tiSport so engaging! THe manual will be revered by the diehards's but unless you want to get blown away by everything out there, it's time to adapt. many of these new cars rev and are jjust plain too quick for the box. Reason why racing has been getting away from it for years now. Don't see them living in the past. Don't get me wrong, its still fun, but I've said it a thousand times, if Evora had this tranny or a PDK type unit....I'd own it.
If I cared about how fast my car could get around the track, I'd definitely want the automatic. But even at the track, I like to work on skills and don't concentrate on being fast. I've driven PDK Porsches on road and track, they are fast, they also lose involvement and connection and I'd never buy one.

I'm happy to be "blown away" by anyone at a stop light (insert inappropriate joke here), there's always a faster car than mine and I'm not interested in a manhood measurement contest. That's for kids and people with something to prove to themselves.

My cars, including the one I drive to work every day, are driven for enjoyment and so they are manual. Clearly, the argument for a manual is lost as the public votes with their wallets, but that doesn't mean it's the right answer for me.

There's really no point in arguing about it. My original comment was just to say that the manual in that car would be more fun and it appears that even you agree with that.
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No , actually I don't agree anymore that it is more fun. Banging thru the pedals quicker than I ever dreamed of rowing thru the gears is really a lot of fun. Even on m y Stelvio, 1st gear is so quickthat unless you are staring at the tach, you'll bog . Just let it run full auto after a left foot brake launch and boom 5.2secs. After a few minutes of being a street savage, just click it back to the right and let it do the work. Even if they made a manual, the uptake would be like 5%. They probably will do a limited edition manual at some point if enough interest occurs. Reason Evora IPS units languish on the lots is because the tranny isn't that good and I certainly haven't seen a single one at the track yet to try but I have read enough to know it won't survive well at the track, which is where I drive it to, from and on. There will always be some manuals out there on the lower end of the spectrum but the top shelf vehicles have moved on.

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No , actually I don't agree anymore that it is more fun. Banging thru the pedals quicker than I ever dreamed of rowing thru the gears is really a lot of fun. Even on m y Stelvio, 1st gear is so quickthat unless you are staring at the tach, you'll bog . Just let it run full auto after a left foot brake launch and boom 5.2secs. After a few minutes of being a street savage, just click it back to the right and let it do the work. Even if they made a manual, the uptake would be like 5%. They probably will do a limited edition manual at some point if enough interest occurs. Reason Evora IPS units languish on the lots is because the tranny isn't that good and I certainly haven't seen a single one at the track yet to try but I have read enough to know it won't survive well at the track, which is where I drive it to, from and on. There will always be some manuals out there on the lower end of the spectrum but the top shelf vehicles have moved on.
Ahh, the progress argument. The same argument that brings us the autonomous car. Enjoy the future, Mr. Orwell.

I'm happy for you that you enjoy your SUV.
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Enjoy the future, Mr. Orwell.
Enjoy the past, Luddite.

I'm really looking forward to my next vehicle purchase, which will almost certainly be an automatic. Preferably a DCT with paddles, but even German slush boxes are on the table.

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SUVs... Mainly pointless. A wagon has just as much space, gets better fuel economy, has superior handling, isn't blocking the view of the road for drivers of cars, and isn't as dangerous to get into an accident with for other drivers. If you take your SUV off road, this doesn't apply to you.
As a wagon (Subaru Outback, seats barely 5, tows 1500 lbs, has small rear opening) and SUV owner (Dodge Durango, seats 7, tows 6700 lbs, can fit elise rear clam in rear opening), I find your size comparison to be well and truly into the "you must be smoking crack" realm.

It could be that you're intending to make a comparison between a crossover and a wagon.
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The wife really wants a Giulia, but, man, they still have new 2017s sitting on lots at huge discounts, and the used ones are coming back to the dealers with super low miles. It just all seems super ominous.
There's 17 pages worth of reasons for that!

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SUVs... Mainly pointless. A wagon has just as much space, gets better fuel economy, has superior handling, isn't blocking the view of the road for drivers of cars, and isn't as dangerous to get into an accident with for other drivers. If you take your SUV off road, this doesn't apply to you.
I tend to agree, but the market wants what the market wants. Like the manual transmission, wagons (estates) seem to be dying a slow death.

The Stelvio is a very nice bit of kit though, with the Quadrifoglio now holding the Nürburgring SUV record.
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Reason Evora IPS units languish on the lots...
I can't speak for other markets, but one of the staff of the Australian importer (SSC) commented to me that approximately 80% of the Evoras they bring in are IPS, which is reflected in the second hand market. For the Evora's target audience here automatic it is!
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