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No forthcoming refund from Skip Barber

I signed up for a 3 day course with Skip Barber at the Mid-Ohio track. The course was supposed to occur last August. The day before the course, Skip Barber canceled it stating that they had wrecked too many cars at Laguna Seca the week before. I have been trying to get a refund since January. I was initially told that it would take 2 weeks to get a check to me. After many calls, I am being told that people are being refunded, but they cannot tell me where I am in line or how long before I will be refunded.
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You've waited a year? Did you pay with credit card?
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I think it's 60 days to dispute on a cc. Filed with BBB yet?

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Could be 60 or 90 days to dispute on cc but it might be worth a try. You could always use small claims court. It's tough to deal with after so long.
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@Keenstudent - Despite the apparent untimeliness, try calling your credit card company anyway. Explain that you have tried resolving the problem with the company, were led to believe they were resolving the problem, and now conclude the merchant has been deceptive and will continue to be unresponsive. The credit card company may elect to determine your complaint is timely or waive the time limits. At the very least, they are likely to get the vendor on the phone with you to ascertain the facts of the case and that contact may prompt the vendor to provide a refund.

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That's too bad, and doesn't paint a good picture of their finances. I did a LOT of instruction and then racing with them in the mid-'90s (before Skip sold the company) and they were great. Hopefully they make things right with you soon.
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Skip Barber "skipped."
I dont know how places stay in business doing stuff like this....

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Man, I know their instructions are easily into $1K~3K+. It sucks that they had to deal with wrecks $10K~100K+ plus loss of use.
It probably crippled them financially, and they can't afford to refund you unless they start downsizing their operation(less money coming in) and/or start liquidating assets which also hinders their operation...

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I think Glen gave you the best advice. Your credit card company can probably exert the force you are unable to (despite the time elapsed). Good luck.

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Man, I know their instructions are easily into $1K~3K+. It sucks that they had to deal with wrecks $10K~100K+ plus loss of use.
It probably crippled them financially, and they can't afford to refund you unless they start downsizing their operation(less money coming in) and/or start liquidating assets which also hinders their operation...

Bad news for both party...
Drivers have a deductible for damage and they have insurance policies that cover beyond that. The damage just limited how many cars they had available immediately following. At least, that's how it always used to be, and should still be.
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At this point, I even wonder if their reason for canceling the course was the one they stated. I still get almost daily E-mails from them advertising discounted courses. They insist they are not in bankruptcy. It's just hard to know what to believe. The main reason for this post was to describe my experience to the rest of the forum members. I appreciate the advice and have contacted my credit card company.
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A quick google finds a surprising number of similar stories, going back at least five years.
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A quick google finds a surprising number of similar stories, going back at least five years.
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I know that a couple years ago "Skip Barber" School owed the real Skip Barber seven figures. Lately there have been several facilities improvements at Lime Rock, with paving scheduled. One wonders if the school finally had to pony up...

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I took a few of the classes at Lime Rock over the past few years and never had any problems. One course was cancelled due to lack of participants, but I moved to a class later the next month. From what I remember, if you opt not to buy their insurance, you are fully responsible for the vehicle and if you do purchase it, the deductible was 4K. It appears that they no longer operate at Lime Rock. When I was up there last month, the building they used to operate out of was abandoned. Looks like the maintainance crew has taken it over. Appears tough times are possibly to blame. Hope you get restitution!
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Was just at Race this past weekend and you are correct. Skip Barber has left the premises. That does not bode well for them. Time for the full court press!!! Now that I think of it, I think they have been gone since early season. At first I thought they were away at races.
I looked at their website and it appears they have moved to Thompson, HUMMMM! Something is VERY wrong if the company's namesake has punted them out of his track!

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maybe they're moving back to Boxborough......................

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@Keenstudent I just got a new marketing email from them, so I guess the doors are still open. Maybe you could at least get into a class (that they may or may not cancel).

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