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"peak" car ownership is happening world over

It is rather interesting that rather than a extension of one's personality a vehicle is now seen more as just a means of transportation.

Interesting article here. https://www.businessinsider.com/carp...19-3?r=US&IR=T


Might become like Red Barchetta in X years where you can't even drive gas powered vehicle... Guess that would certainly hurt values! heh
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We dreamed of cars and our experiences in them and with them. Millennial's dream of their next smartphone upgrade and the newest app's they can run on them. We went down to the drive-in on the boulevard in our car to share bragging rights. Millennial's do that on Facebook and Twitter. Not long before I retired, I was working with a couple of "kid's" in the IT department on a Wi-Fi distribution project. As an attempt at small talk I asked what kind of cars they had or wanted to get. The one kid said "a stock Ford Focus, for transportation" the other fellow said "I take the bus and use Uber when I have to". "If you had a dream car, what would that be?" - "A fully autonomous Tesla would be cool" was their common answer. All I can say, to quote Maurice Chevalier' song in GiGi is "I'm glad I'm not young anymore."

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“Cars create inequality.” LMAO
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Certainly not the most well written article, nor most authoritative, but they brought up some interesting points. My town is currently inundated with college kids zooming around on scooters they can rent for a dollar.

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Here's one for you.

I rented a 1966 Corvette a few years ago. I took some young (mid-20s) coworkers out for a ride. I managed to spin the tires quite loudly.

Instead of a thumbs up or a big smile all I got was, "what was that noise?"
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Hopefully, someone will build a theme-park where we will be able to drive our cars, as the writing on the wall seems to be it eventually won't be allowed on public roads. At least within some of our lifetimes. The Millennials are different, and what comes after them even more so.

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I live in Atlanta. Commuting sucks. I would drive 6 miles on roads that had speed limits not exceeding 35mph. I sold my exige some months ago and now I only drive my Tundra to either get to mtb trails or to auto-xes while towing my Elise.

If you live in any kind of congested area, which more and more of the population is doing, owning a car becomes more of a liability and pain in the ass. Suburbs are where cars work... sorta.
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Still love the Song "My City was Gone" by the Pretenders. The more folks stack up in the cities, the more space that leaves for us in the countrysides. This is a really big country and let the nerdy C3-7 compromised millenials enjoy the city. Remember for every Prius , Tesla etc out there, that leaves that much more gas for the REAL drivers. Some of them there cityfolk shouldn't be driving anyway.

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Still love the Song "My City was Gone" by the Pretenders. The more folks stack up in the cities, the more space that leaves for us in the countrysides. This is a really big country and let the nerdy C3-7 compromised millenials enjoy the city. Remember for every Prius , Tesla etc out there, that leaves that much more gas for the REAL drivers. Some of them there cityfolk shouldn't be driving anyway.
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It is true more people live in the city, it is easy to forget that NYC and many other major cities saw population level from 1950 to 1970, then dropping, not recovering to 1960 levels until 2000, while the population in the US doubled.

So people of a certain age are suburb centric, car centric, while those a bit younger are moving back to cities and find little use for cars

I grew up as a car guy, and we were never in the majority.

Even people who liked cars drove beaters and minivans because they did not prioritize cars over the rest of life.

It is simply preposterous to fret the coming end to cars on the road.

Electric cars are already faster than ICE cars, soon enough we will all be talking about the new battery hack we figured out to make our electric car go faster

That is the only change I see coming
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I live in Atlanta. Commuting sucks. I would drive 6 miles on roads that had speed limits not exceeding 35mph. I sold my exige some months ago and now I only drive my Tundra to either get to mtb trails or to auto-xes while towing my Elise.

If you live in any kind of congested area, which more and more of the population is doing, owning a car becomes more of a liability and pain in the ass. Suburbs are where cars work... sorta.
This. Owning an Elise was a dream of mine, but it's getting harder and harder to justify keeping it, and harder and harder to enjoy it, living in a big city.

I have thought about converting it to a track car and only using it to drive to local tracks and participate in track days, because I just don't enjoy driving it on the streets anymore and there are ZERO good roads nearby.
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Somewhat less convinced. For every article about this found on Google, there's another with the opposite point of view. Many rely on studies from the UK, which keeps excellent stats on traffic, and point to the declines in London. But the peak was in 1999, before Millennials were driving - or not driving - and certainly before electric cars. Total vehicle miles are definitely down, but light commercial is way up. Traffic on AB and C roads is down, but motorway traffic has regained the 1999 levels.

Maybe it was gas prices, recessions, people moving our of the city. Lots of nuances still to be explored/understood.
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Man, living in a small town, your car was literally your identity for many, many years. I can't imagine not having that, or replacing it with the latest smart phone.
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Are you trolling or are you just this way? Weird.
Dead serious with my usual ironic twist.....I, for one, care less for them.....

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Just because we are past "peak" which, I think, is a VERY good thing, doesn't mean the car is going to die in the next 50 yrs.

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This. Owning an Elise was a dream of mine, but it's getting harder and harder to justify keeping it, and harder and harder to enjoy it, living in a big city.

I have thought about converting it to a track car and only using it to drive to local tracks and participate in track days, because I just don't enjoy driving it on the streets anymore and there are ZERO good roads nearby.
This is where I ended up with my Elise, except I trailer it to every event that I compete in. Driving around the metro-Detroit area is extremely boring in a car like ours. If I lived near mountain or canyon cutting roads it would be an entirely different story.

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Detroit potholes v Elise.......= OUCH!!!!

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It is rather interesting that rather than a extension of one's personality a vehicle is now seen more as just a means of transportation.

Interesting article here. https://www.businessinsider.com/carp...19-3?r=US&IR=T


Might become like Red Barchetta in X years where you can't even drive gas powered vehicle... Guess that would certainly hurt values! heh
I guess I will have to buy a country place that no one knows about......


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interesting article. Humans are humans and most people have some "things" that they are passionate about. In the middle ages, it was your carriage or your thoroughbred horse if you were lucky enough to have food to eat and a roof over your head. Guys, in general, have shown to relate better to things than people. (whole can of worms I would like to side-step). For many of us, cars are appealing for the visual or visceral thrill. The artistry of the design AND the engineering/performance. It is easy to see that is NOT the case for most people.

We do spend an inordinate amount of money on basic transportation. If that can be eliminated by TAAS, then great. More money to spend on optional fun cars etc.

The thing the public transportation wonks/greenies have missed over the years is that public transportation is inconvenient, UNLESS private transportation is made MORE inconvenient by traffic or artificial restriction. If there weren't traffic issues or restrictions on where you can drive or park, it is faster and more convenient to leave when you want, directly from your house, and go directly where you wish to go(See Minority Report for how this should look). TAAS solves the inconvenience of train schedules, multiple stop delays, travelling with freaky people i.e. all the sucky stuff of Public transport.

The question is: Will it be affordable enough to use? I hope so. It will be empowering for seniors, lower-income people etc. Additionally, since we already have this huge infrastructure in roads, it could save money by NOT building out bullet-trains, light-rails etc. etc. Instead go-all in on roads and let self-driving TAAS become the public/private transport of the future. I doubt the 2 lane roads in the mountains will be off limits to driver cars in my lifetime. If so, I will just have to find some one-lane bridges to leave the alloy-air car cops behind.....

<For those that don't understand what I am talking about in the last sentence, introduce yourself to RUSH's masterpiece - "Red Barchetta" and the lyrics.>
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Are you trolling or are you just this way? Weird.
Personally I couldn’t agree more with him in this instance.

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Someone mentioned the keyword in this whole argument.....”option”. I still & always will want the OPTION to drive my sports/fun car.

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