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My special key lug split on the side as well shinoo, still works without any problem. I'm just going to order 4 regular lugs.
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you know there is a down side to swapping the lug bolts. At the car show you go to 15 years from now you will be gigged for not being stock.
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Slight sidetrack: What's the advantage of converting to studs? I haven't had a car using bolts for quite some time, and I don't remember having any problems with them. The studs would certainly seem easier if your wheels aren't hubcentric. But with hubcentric wheels, would the studs still be beneficial in some way?
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>>>What's the advantage of converting to studs?<<<

They are stronger and more reliable in hard use, especially on heavy cars. The applied tightening torque more closely relates to the installed tension - lower and more consistent friction. They make wheel swapping easier. They tend to have more engaged threads. The rounded studs can be quickly fastened as you can just plop on the nut with your wrench and gun it - this helps the Nascar boys but is no big deal for us and in any event we should final torque by hand using a torque wrench. They look cool. Probably a few other things.
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Nice find Stan, this will be a fairly painless way to convert to studs. Thanks for posting all the part numbers and links.
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>>>What's the advantage of converting to studs?<<<

They are stronger and more reliable in hard use, especially on heavy cars.
That's interesting, because up till now, I've only seen lug bolts on heavy cars.

Actually that's a skewed statistic, since these heavy cars were all from Europe.
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That's interesting, because up till now, I've only seen lug bolts on heavy cars.
My Renault Clio had lug bolts, and it was lighter than an Elise. So it just seems to be a European car thing. I'm starting to wonder why they are using bolts if lug studs have all advantages on their side.
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I just bought a nice set of lug bolts on eBay for $30 plus shipping. I got 20, so I'll have some extras. They look to be a lot better to work with that the torx ones. I wonder if the torx bit would stand up to constant wheel changing using an impact wrench? (yes, I will do the final tighten using my torque wrench) With autoxing I expect to do at least 30 changes in 2005.

I guess I'll keep the Elise ones with my original coilovers, stock exhaust, shims,.....

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>>>With autoxing I expect to do at least 30 changes in 2005.<<<

And after the season you should test each bolt, one at a time. Reuse all the bolts that can float on water. Cheap peace of mind.
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Bavarian Autosport has the lug bolts in both silver and black for $2.95 each, part numbers 36 13 1 126 191 for silver .
James - 36 13 1 126 191 appears to be bronze tint and not silver
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And after the season you should test each bolt, one at a time. Reuse all the bolts that can float on water. Cheap peace of mind.


I had to read that twice.
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I've read it three times and this accountant is still not sure what Stan is talking about. Help!

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>>>I've read it three times and this accountant is still not sure what Stan is talking about. Help!<<<

Jer - years ago I had a wheel come off my car coming down the hill onto the main straight at Lime Rock. Turns out the wheel bolts were old and had fatigued. It was a driver's side rear so the wheel stayed in the wheel well and I made it through the turn okay and was able to park the car in the pits. But it coulda been ugly. A new set of wheel bolts costs hardly anything. It's cheap insurance to just replace them on a schedule and regard them as consumables on cars where wheels and tires are swapped frequently and high loads are experienced.
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I must have had a blonde moment, even though I'm not blonde. Sorry. Yeah, for $30 replacing the lugs is really really cheap. That's sound advice, Stan. A lot cheaper than an oil change for this car.

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A lot cheaper than an oil change for this car.
Hmph, yeah - I heard about the oil change price.
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The Elise lug nuts are, for both front and back, 19mm/M12/1.5 Pitch. Should any kind of replacement meet all these same measurements?
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Bavarian Autosport has the lug bolts in both silver and black for $2.95 each, part numbers 36 13 1 126 191 for silver and 36 13 1 126 014 for black. www.bavauto.com
Also locking bolts are availabe from BMW that use a small key and are around $45 for four, also Bavarian Auto haas some other locking ones shown that look much better than the stock Elise, they are $45 for the set of four.
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Lug bolt part #36 13 1 126 191 are bronze. Anyone have the part # for silver?

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Good question, does any body know the part number?

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The Lotus Wheel Bolt with the starlike keyed bolt pattern is part # B117G6000F
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Thanks for the response, but we are talking about the part number for the BMW silver lug bolt. I am getting rid of the stock Lotus bolts and want the 17mm BMW lug bolts.

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