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JUst an FYI-while the standard head lug bolts I got work great with SSRs, they are extremely difficult to use on the rear non-LSS wheels. The spokes are too tight to get an impact wrench socket on or even a tire iron on to do the final torqueing. Then getting them off is a bitch, too. I don't know about LSS wheels. My solution is to use the standard old lug bolts with the standard wheels for street use, but race with the new BMW shiny ones, which I will consider disposable at the end of each season. Thought I'd pass that on.

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>>>JUst an FYI-while the standard head lug bolts I got work great with SSRs, they are extremely difficult to use on the rear non-LSS wheels. The spokes are too tight to get an impact wrench socket on or even a tire iron on to do the final torqueing. Then getting them off is a bitch, too. I don't know about LSS wheels. My solution is to use the standard old lug bolts with the standard wheels for street use, but race with the new BMW shiny ones, which I will consider disposable at the end of each season. Thought I'd pass that on.<<<

That is interesting. I have not run into that issue at all with the base wheels. Hmmm...OH! I use a chrome, 6 point "long" 17 mm socket and there is very ample space with those wheels. These sockets are fine for the amount of torque we are talking about. In other words you don't need bullet proof thick-wall impact sockets that can deal with 200-300 lb-ft of torque as their extra strength won't be needed.

Since you have the snap-on battery powered impact wrench and a torque wrench you should be good to go. I like your trailer too! I generally "break" the torque of the wheels bolts and then use the snap-on for full removal. The snap-on can do this by itself, but it can hit your battery life. For tightening I do it in stages and the snap on gets me most of the way. The final tightening value is achieved using the torque wrench. Once you get used to the stuff, you'll discover what trigger position can get you up to about 60 lb-ft. There are some other tricks to this sort of thing too.
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A thinner deep 6 point will tolerate the torque no problem.
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I also have a long 6-pt. 17mm socket that I used for my BMW M3. It clears the stock touring wheels with no problem. I agree there is plenty of space.

I guess I will call Nick Alexander BMW in LA and mail order the BMW silver lug bolts. I guess I won't need the part number that way.

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BTW the silver BMW wheel bolts I have seen look like they'd match the painted LSS wheels very well. For base wheels you could go black or silver and either would look good.

Here is a picture of an impact socket...they have thick walls, a dark finish and are very shatter resistant for long term day in day out reliable shop work loosening rusted on and overtightened fasteners. For wheel bolts at our relatively low torque levels on cars that are in good shape the extra strength provides no benefit and the thickness harms access.


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Stan, you are correct the silver or black will look good. My old BMW M3 had silver wheels and blacks lug bolts as stock. That looked fine.

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Thanks a bunch all. I'll find a deep thin 6 point 17 mm socket then. That should do it. I'd prefer not to use the torx lugbolts; just another tool in the link and something else to lose/misplace.

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Hey if you find out the part number of the silver BMW ones when you order can you post it for us. ALso, while we are on the topic, for those that have their car is there a way I can use a torque wrench with the stock lug bolts and wheel locks?
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Z06fun-just put your torx adapter tool into each lugbolt, and put your torque wrench on the adapter. I do it all the time.

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Thanks, I don't have my car yet so I'm not familiar with the tools that come with the car. Soon...
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My stock torx lug adaptor tool has a 17 mm hex at the other end. Then I have to use a 17 mm socket attached to the torque wrench. I will get the silver BMW lugs bolts and use the same 17 mm deep socket (six point) on the torque wrench.

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Thanks for the info, that is helpful.
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Got the thin 6 point 17 MM deep socket. Works great on those tight rear wheels. The torx head lugbolts are re-retired.

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I found a lower price for these bolts (36-13-1-095-390), Pelican Parts (www.pelicanparts.com) has them for $1.85 each.
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I ended up buying mine at one of the local BMW dealers here in the Chicago area. It helped that my wife was a member of the local BMW club:

Original price for 16 - $109
BMW club price - $38

BTW - I did a three day track event with them, torqued them once and they stayed nice and tight for the durration.

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When you examine the bolts you can see that they are pretty teched-out with the sculpted heads to save grams. The BMW bolts look like Lotus designed them!
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One of those time where hanging onto junk pays off

Ha, I sold my E30M3 last year and kept an extra set of bolts I had for no reason at the time. Now I have a full set for the Elise and 4 spares...
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Anyone got specifics?

I've heard mention of the "Silver" bolts, but all I can find are the BMW Gold/bronze/cadmium tint and black. No silver. Anyone got 'em?

For the black bolts, which would be fine by me, I can find two part numbers, probably different:

BW-36-13-1-095-390
BW-36-13-1-126-014

Does anyone know for sure which ones fit the Elise? I'd sure like to get rid of these Torx heads.
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BW-36-13-1-095-390 will fit. Available from Pelican Parts -- cost for set with tax/shipping should be ~ $38

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