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Sorry to dig up this old thread, but Im also seriously considering this setup, 17" all round.

Quick question, I know you mentioned that your rear rubbed when driven spiritedly. How about the front? There seems little clearance, does it rub when turning etc?

Nice setup!
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Sorry to dig up this old thread, but Im also seriously considering this setup, 17" all round.

Quick question, I know you mentioned that your rear rubbed when driven spiritedly. How about the front? There seems little clearance, does it rub when turning etc?

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No problem, feel free to dig up any old thread, new information is always good .

Rubbing is a weird thing because it really depends on several factors.

1. The exact make/model of tire (some run wide, some run skinny, and some run normal)
2. The exact amount of drop (sometimes higher is actually worse)
3. The exact amount of negative camber

For this exact make and model of tire, and how low I was running the car, I needed -2.1 to not rub up front. I eventually settled on -2.3, and was very happy with it, no rubbing at all, regardless of how hard I cornered the car. If I hit a big bump, however, I could rub a little on the top of the wheel arch liner, which is pretty common, and didn't cause an issue. I imagine if you did that a lot you could wear a hole, but again, I didn't do that much, and it depends on other factors. My goal for this wheel/tire set was merely aesthetics, so I didn't run them hard except to test.

Since you didn't ask about the rear, and I had 2 sets, if you have questions about that, please reference the small, or big rear set.

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These looks great Andrew
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These looks great Andrew
Thanks man, it was a fun project, and I learned a lot for future projects from it.

I maintain that the 17 x 8.25 front and rear with 205/40 or 215/40 for the front, and 235/40 for the rear is a fantastic bolt-on solution for someone looking for an inexpensive, yet beautiful wheel/tire combo for the street. I think that with this multi-spoke design you could track the car as well, it has been proven time and time again with the 527 on much heavier cars, but it worked perfectly for the street in my case.

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I maintain that the 17 x 8.25 front and rear with 205/40 or 215/40 for the front, and 235/40 for the rear is a fantastic bolt-on solution.
Would this tire size setup need additional camber (more than what stock allows) to avoid rubbing?

These also come in 17x7.5 and 17x9.75, in addition to the 17x8.25.. as well as 16x8 and 16x8.25 for the 16/17 setup guys
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Would this tire size setup need additional camber (more than what stock allows) to avoid rubbing?
The 17 x 8.25 front with the 215 tire does require -2 to -2.2 in order to tuck properly (depends on the car).

However, DO NOT let this scare you. The V2 arms from Inokinetic are a perfect solution, and super easy to install.

https://www.inokinetic.com/lotus/v2arms

Remember that most agree that even for a street car, -2 to -2.2 in the front is perfect, and I can tell you that increased camber on my car literally transformed the driving feel for the better. Wish I would have done it as one of my very first mods. You'll see increased oversteer with increased negative front camber, but unless you're pushing the car very hard I don't imagine you'd have a problem. In any case, mod at your own risk there.

Lastly, don't even give a thought to increased tire wear in the front from negative camber, it doesn't work that way on a Lotus because the car is so light in the front. I imagine I could run slicks with -3 in the front with no additional wear. Might try it just for fun .

If you're looking for the 16" front, contact GRP, they have them, and the required spacers.

https://www.gregsraceparts.com/collections/wheels

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Yes, hubcentric spacers, I would never run open bore, they must fit perfectly.
@VisualEchos Which spacers are you running exactly?
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@VisualEchos Which spacers are you running exactly?
It's actually just an adapter. Any of them will work. Some are aluminum, some are composite material. I get mine here: Why Hub Centric Rings? - HubCentric-Rings.com
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Just installed the XXR530's from GRP very happy with the look and fit.

When you adjusted your camber, did that flatten out the steering for you? Taking away a bit of the twitchyness?
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Just installed the XXR530's from GRP very happy with the look and fit.

When you adjusted your camber, did that flatten out the steering for you? Taking away a bit of the twitchyness?
Looks good.

My car was never twitchy. When I first dropped my car, and gained -1.3 camber, it literally transformed the way the car drove. A million times better.

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Keeping this thread going since these are the best looking wheels on an elise/exige . I do have a question however that may or may not have been answered. I'm set on buying these as a temporary set, I have decided on the 17x8.25 for the front, but I cant make up my mind for the rears. Did you have the same camber adjustments on the rear for both 8.25 and 9.75 xxr's? Or did you have to add more camber when you went with the wider setup?

I'm sometimes a spirited driver and I want to have as little rubbing as possible
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Keeping this thread going since these are the best looking wheels on an elise/exige . I do have a question however that may or may not have been answered. I'm set on buying these as a temporary set, I have decided on the 17x8.25 for the front, but I cant make up my mind for the rears. Did you have the same camber adjustments on the rear for both 8.25 and 9.75 xxr's? Or did you have to add more camber when you went with the wider setup?

I'm sometimes a spirited driver and I want to have as little rubbing as possible
You MUST run the 8.25 in the rear.

If you run the 9.75 with a 245 you'll rub even with normal driving and -3.5 camber.

If you run the 9.75 with a stupid tire, like a 225 you'll still rub with spirited driving at -3.5 camber.

Forget the 9.75 for anything other than easy driving. I chose BOTH because they are so damn cheap and easy to install that I could use the big combo for driving around, and when I wanted to do spirited driving I could just swap the smaller combo on.

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You MUST run the 8.25 in the rear.

If you run the 9.75 with a 245 you'll rub even with normal driving and -3.5 camber.

If you run the 9.75 with a stupid tire, like a 225 you'll still rub with spirited driving at -3.5 camber.

Forget the 9.75 for anything other than easy driving. I chose BOTH because they are so damn cheap and easy to install that I could use the big combo for driving around, and when I wanted to do spirited driving I could just swap the smaller combo on.

Glad you replied when you did. I was very close to purchasing only the 9.75's for the rear Thanks! I'd buy both rear sets but I just don't need them. I know that I wouldn't be happy driving the car with the 9.75's if it rubs even at normal driving, it'll drive me crazy haha.
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Now to figure out if I should go with 527s or 530s
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Glad you replied when you did. I was very close to purchasing only the 9.75's for the rear Thanks! I'd buy both rear sets but I just don't need them. I know that I wouldn't be happy driving the car with the 9.75's if it rubs even at normal driving, it'll drive me crazy haha.
Perfection for this car, in the rear, is 17 x 9 +32. Anything wider, or a different offset can have issues/consequences of some sort. Same with the tire, it should have a 235 on it, but you can push to a 245. A 255 or larger will have issues/compromises of some sort (depending on the exact make/model of tire, some run skinny, some run wide).

And now you see why 9.75 +25 is really out of the question. It's 16.5mm outside of perfect.
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Perfection for this car, in the rear, is 17 x 9 +32. Anything wider, or a different offset can have issues/consequences of some sort. Same with the tire, it should have a 235 on it, but you can push to a 245. A 255 or larger will have issues/compromises of some sort (depending on the exact make/model of tire, some run skinny, some run wide).

And now you see why 9.75 +25 is really out of the question. It's 16.5mm outside of perfect.
How about up front?
I'm looking at these wheels with 235s out back and the 215s up front per your suggestion, and I'm at stock ride height and have camber maxxed out all the way around with V2 arms so it should fit,

but I'm considering a second set of rims for racing (Likely the advanti Storms in 15/17 sizes with 225/45/15 up front and 255/40/17 out back) which supposedly fit, but I'm not sure they're the perfect offset.
Front is 15x8 +25 and Rear is 17X9 +45
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How about up front?
I'm looking at these wheels with 235s out back and the 215s up front per your suggestion, and I'm at stock ride height and have camber maxxed out all the way around with V2 arms so it should fit,

but I'm considering a second set of rims for racing (Likely the advanti Storms in 15/17 sizes with 225/45/15 up front and 255/40/17 out back) which supposedly fit, but I'm not sure they're the perfect offset.
Front is 15x8 +25 and Rear is 17X9 +45
17 x 8.25 +25 with a 215 works perfect with -2.5, but that's a bit on the far end.

Better would be 17 x 8 +25 with a 205 and -1.9 IMO.

16 x 7.5 +25 with a wide 195 is probably the best of all worlds.

I don't bother with 15's and 225's, but you can calculate it from the OD of the 215 on the 17 I mentioned first.

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Keep in mind for the 16x8” et20 xxr527 will need a 6mm spacer in the front to clear the brakes. So now you are down to +14 offset. So go with the 205 tire, maybe even 195 if you want a low ride height

The 17” xxr527 wont need any spacers front or rear, they go right on

The xxr530s im not sure on the size, but i believe may need a 3mm spacer

Also dont forget these wheels need hubcentric rings.. Elige hub diameter is 56.6, the xxr wheels are 73.1
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17 x 8.25 +25 with a 215 works perfect with -2.5, but that's a bit on the far end.

Better would be 17 x 8 +25 with a 205 and -1.9 IMO.

16 x 7.5 +25 with a wide 195 is probably the best of all worlds.

I don't bother with 15's and 225's, but you can calculate it from the OD of the 215 on the 17 I mentioned first.
The 15s would be for the track, so getting as much front tire is important in that scenario
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