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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-19-2018, 04:54 AM Thread Starter
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08 Exige S240 gets -2.8* front camber!?

Hey guys, I was doing a laundry list of repair/maintenance items on my 08 Exige this weekend and part of that was to remove the shims to get max camber. Imagine my surprise when I found the shims pictured below. When removed the front is getting -2.8* of camber!

The thing is, everything appears factory. I'm pretty sure I was the first person to crack open the bolts that hold the steering arms to the uprights. The steering arms are not milled. I've owned milled arms before so I know what to look for.

Is this a later S240 thing? Has anyone seen shims like these? I neglected to measure them but they have to be at least 4mm thick. They aren't homemade and they we paired with two regular shims on each side.

Also, the car turns awesome now.
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Weird, lotusgarage.com does not list out anything special for the S240 for the hubs, upper or lower control arms, or the steering arm. Did you happen to take any pictures of the hub and steering arm?

Technically the factory steering arm is also milled, just to a better surface finish than the aftermarket ones you've seen. Someone could've easily matched the surface finish after milling it down if they wanted.

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Weird, lotusgarage.com does not list out anything special for the S240 for the hubs, upper or lower control arms, or the steering arm. Did you happen to take any pictures of the hub and steering arm?

Technically the factory steering arm is also milled, just to a better surface finish than the aftermarket ones you've seen. Someone could've easily matched the surface finish after milling it down if they wanted.
The arms have not been cut. When you mill the arms, the parts that mate with the upright get cut down and the "valley" between them becomes smaller. These arms still have the deep valley like a stock arm.

I haven't compared any of the parts to parts from my '08 Elise which was like all the rest of the Eliges in that it could barely get -1*.
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I've sent an email to [email protected] to see if they know anything about it. Hmmm, I'm curious to see if they respond.
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I've sent an email to [email protected] to see if they know anything about it. Hmmm, I'm curious to see if they respond.
They've always been very responsive with me, so I hope so. If all the parts are the exact same then the only thing I can think of is not good (bent frame / suspension).

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I wonder if a previous owner changed out upper or lower arms? Is there such a thing? I'm positive the frame is not bent. Everything looks normal and perfect in there. I had the lower panel off to lube the swaybar.
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I wonder if a previous owner changed out upper or lower arms? Is there such a thing?
I guess it is possible; if lotusgarage.com is correct about them all having the same part number then the arms should match your Elise, so that should be easy to measure and check.

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I wonder if a previous owner changed out upper or lower arms? Is there such a thing? I'm positive the frame is not bent. Everything looks normal and perfect in there. I had the lower panel off to lube the swaybar.
I can tell you that my 2011 Exige does not have those uprights. Can you find a part # and I will compare it to mine.

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I wish I had a two bay garage.
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This is not a type of shim that I have seen before.
We only use 1 or 3mm shims.

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I wonder what is not factory. Dangit. I was hoping I found something really cool. I guess I'll have to dig in and report back here. Maybe my uprights are shaved or there is an offset lower balljoint.
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Maybe the uprights are milled instead of the steering arm? That's what I did.

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Maybe the uprights are milled instead of the steering arm? That's what I did.
Yeah, it's a possibility. It'll be my first check. I have a set of stock uprights feet away from the car. I guess if I want to auto-x this thing in SS legally, I'll have to install them. Booooooo
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Yeah, it's a possibility. It'll be my first check. I have a set of stock uprights feet away from the car. I guess if I want to auto-x this thing in SS legally, I'll have to install them. Booooooo
Epoxy a spacer back onto the OEM upright and call it a "like part" or whatever weird wording the SCCA uses.

I dont know why those guys are stuck regulating parts instead of outcome.

You must run this cam and this tune or this upright and this control arm vs.

You must make 156 WHP or you cant exceed 3 Camber

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Are the 211 upper arms shorter? You think you could have those on there?
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Post pics of the suspension area. I'm curious what looks different.

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Post pics of the suspension area. I'm curious what looks different.
When I get around to it, I will. FWIW, I had my hands all over the area for five hours and nothing stood out to me. My bet is on shaved uprights. Who ever made the shims did a nice job. The holes are chamfered and deburred and there are no tooling marks.
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You know your answer already, just wanted to add that I have an '08 240, I am original owner... no 2.8" for me even with Sector's V2 arms.


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I appreciate your dedication to staying stock! I picked up a 2007 Exige S myself this fall and plan to autocross it with the local SCCA club...although I probably would have bought the car anyway, I'm glad they were re-classed and can now run in a Street class. I already got to do a couple of events before our season ended, but I'm looking forward to getting a good autocross alignment on the car next spring and seeing what it can do!
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Just got my car aligned. For info: I got -0.8 left and -0.7 right with all shims removed (ABS bracket still installed).
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