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post #61 of 70 (permalink) Old 08-27-2009, 10:00 AM
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Randy, It looks like your Noble puts down about 1 g acceleration in first and second. That must be nice (coming from someone that is used to an NA Elise). And +1 on 9 and 3 or 10 and 2 thumbs out and never need to shuffle steer on track but had to on a few autocrosses.

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Yes. I consistently record 1G acceleration. There was not a lot of places to use it on this course.

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Couple of spots he scared me with yanks on the wheel in the middle of the turn. Like in the middle of oak tree. If I did that with a vette we'd be spinning. Why was he doing that?
At the oak tree he was getting trailing throttle (aka lift) oversteer, he straightens the wheel quickly to keep the car from spinning. This is a pretty common thing to happen on track in our cars going into corners off throttle or lifting. This is also the reason some of use are talking about not shuffle steering as you can loose wheel center and not know how far to turn the wheel to catch the rear from coming around.

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One looked like to control understeer - he needed to take off the lock, brake a bit more and then get back on the lock pretty damn quick.

Another look like to get the back to move a little to make it "fun"

Vette will spin nlike most front engined cars in that situation as there's bugger all weight/load on the rears making it difficult.
Ok, I see what you're saying. I interpreted the tire squeal as push, not thottle off oversteer. Most of the videos I've seen with spins in that corner happen on exit, not mid-corner and the Elises I've driven all seem to push on corner entry. My first interpretation was he lost front grip, straightened the wheel to regain it and then whipped the wheel back to make the turn.

But viewing it again I can see it was oversteer and not push.

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It's pretty rare in an Elise that you have to shuffle steer. Even for tight turnarounds, you can usually get away with hand-over-handing and keeping one hand constant. Here's the most hand-crazy video of mine I can find, and I don't see myself shuffling anywhere.

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It's pretty rare in an Elise that you have to shuffle steer. Even for tight turnarounds, you can usually get away with hand-over-handing and keeping one hand constant. Here's the most hand-crazy video of mine I can find, and I don't see myself shuffling anywhere.

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For high speed sweeping turns I stay at 9 and 3 and cross over a bit. For moderate to low speed high acceleration turns I do the Fangio shuffle; getting my hands ready during deceleration for the optimum position for my hands during the turn. Typically very close to 9 and 3 throughout the turn. Takes a while to get used to it but becomes very comfortable so you can concentrate on the throttle. I can understand why Fangio drove that way rather than being crossed up like a pretzel.

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Now that this thread is on the front page for some reason I would like to call out all the very very terrible advice in it. 9-3 pull on the wheel and DON'T MOVE YOUR HANDS JESUS.
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9 & 3, no shuffle. When you shuffle you can loose the center position of the wheel and have no idea how far to correct to catch the car if it gets loose. There are very few turns on tracks that require you to remove your hands from the wheel and re-position.

Disclaimer - Ive never AutoX'ed so it may be different there.
I have autocrossed.

I teach 9 and 3, don't move them if you can help it. For nasty pin turns, pre-position at 12 and 6.

9 and 3 opens up a lot of brain space that would be sucked up by compensating for the extraneous inputs on the wheel caused by G-forces on the body.

When I went from the Europa to the Elise, I bemoaned the slow steering in the Elise. I still think now and then about getting a faster rack.

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It's pretty rare in an Elise that you have to shuffle steer. Even for tight turnarounds, you can usually get away with hand-over-handing and keeping one hand constant. Here's the most hand-crazy video of mine I can find, and I don't see myself shuffling anywhere.

YouTube - 2009 Packwood NT Saturday Run
The one thing I would change is that I would want to have my hands at 12 and 6 on the launch to handle that crazy first left turn.

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