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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 10-21-2016, 09:55 AM Thread Starter
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November Fastrack

Write your letters, I think both are good changes, Supercharged cars to SS and NA Elise to AS:

From the November Fastrack:

Change Proposals
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#20242 Lotus Elise Classing
The SAC would like member feedback on the following changes:
Move to SS from the exclusion list:
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Elise SC (2008-2011)
Exige (S and SC) (2006-2011)
Move from SS to AS:
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Elise (non supercharged) (2005-2011)
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Letter sent !

Send them to/at www.soloeventsboard.com

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About damn time, if you ask me. Unfortunately it won't take effect until 2018, if it is approved. Between this and the allowance to reinforce bodywork, maybe we'll see a resurgence of Lotus in street classes.

Also embedded in the Fastrack:

#15730 Non-factory/Non-standard Body Reinforcement Allowance Proposal The SEB recommends the addition of a new paragraph to 13.1, as follows:

“Front bumpers, rear bumpers, body trim pieces and attachment points may be reinforced to prevent or repair damage from hitting cones. Reinforcements that are not visible to the exterior of the car are allowed. Such repairs and/or reinforcements may serve no other purpose.”

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Letter written. I think these are all great moves. The Elise would probably be fine in AS, likely not the absolute best car but close enough. I'm really going back and forth on whether the Exige S240 and S260 could keep up with GT3's in SS, what do you guys think? I would think they could but being limited to such small wheels probably isn't great.
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Letter written. I think these are all great moves. The Elise would probably be fine in AS, likely not the absolute best car but close enough. I'm really going back and forth on whether the Exige S240 and S260 could keep up with GT3's in SS, what do you guys think? I would think they could but being limited to such small wheels probably isn't great.
Having driven an Elise against GT3s in SS, at least the S240 and S260 will have better odds given their extra power. I'd still bet on a GT3 unless the course was really tight and twisty. Unfortunately, the chassis and suspension setups are the same as the Elise, from what I have seen. The stock Elige chassis suffers from lack of front grip on throttle. Most cars can't get more than ~0.7-0.8 degrees of front camber at stock ride heights, making the front tires feel extra narrow in terms of grip.

But I digress - maybe I should just learn to drive better

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The track pack can lower ride height right? Does that get more camber?
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The track pack can lower ride height right? Does that get more camber?
Short answer is yes and yes. The main downside is that the track pack springs are progressive. From what I've read, they start out around the stiffness of the base springs and stiffen to about the same spring rate as the LSS springs.

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Letter written. I was hoping the move would take effect next season
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Yeah, unfortunately, all of this will take place in 2018.
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I thought I remembered seeing something in the original Street Classing Proposal that would allow changes to be made quicker in the first few years?

Either way I like the Proposal, letter sent.

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“Front bumpers, rear bumpers, body trim pieces and attachment points may be reinforced to prevent or repair damage from hitting cones. Reinforcements that are not visible to the exterior of the car are allowed. Such repairs and/or reinforcements may serve no other purpose.”

Anyone actually done reinforcement as described? Maybe a off season project
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Anyone actually done reinforcement as described? Maybe a off season project
Yes, though I don't have great pictures of it. I knew this rule change was in the works and opted to reinforce the front clam the last time I had it off.

- Sanded off paint
- Roughed up the surface
- Added ~4 layers of fiberglass weave
- Made and glassed in reinforcing ribs along lower section
- Poured in 2-part expanding foam and shaped with fillet knife & sand paper
- Added ~4 more layers of fiberglass weave to cap the foam

It's very stiff. I have no concerns about center punching hard cones.
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I guess alot has changed in the 2 years since I asked this question: https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f99/...street-220313/


I was assured SC cars would be overdogs in SS. I guess the competition has gotten faster.

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Current version of the 2017 Solo Rules shows the Exige S in SS... and the Elise remains in SS.

What. The. ****.

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I was waiting for the January fastrack, they said the update would be in there.

If they held out on the Elise in AS that is extremely disappointing, maybe for 2018?

Jan Update: Thank you for your input

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Hmm, perhaps all these letters didn't say the same thing

20568, 20576, 20578, 20582, 20587, 20590, 20611, 20647, 20660, 20689, 20697, 20700,
20701, 20705 Feedback on #20242 Lotus Elise Classing
Thank you for your input.

So we got that going for us ....

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I don't think this was a surprise. It was my understanding that the proposal was to take effect in 2018 anyway. They will still move the car to AS I think - just no reason to do it this month
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Why doesn't anyone run the Elise in SSR? Seems like a good year to sit out on the tire wars anyway.

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http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1492707318

Guys, they are looking for member feedback again on this item. It's going to the BoD for a 2018 classing change.

Write your letters!
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Done - again
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