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But at that point, why not go SSP? It's basically the same build, with a much easier PAX?

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v2 arms and aero were both big improvements. RTD brace also not legal though of no real consequence. Also, we are thread jacking.. lets pm if you have further questions

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v2 arms and aero were both big improvements. RTD brace also not legal though of no real consequence. Also, we are thread jacking.. lets pm if you have further questions
I'm hoping that the v2 arms are a big deal. I am shooting past SSP and going to SSM only because of those arms. I don't expect to do well on PAX, but I hope to put up some nice overall times locally, and more importantly even out my tire wear and have lots of fun.

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You know, you could just take your lower control arms to a welder and have them lengthened a little bit. Should be a really easy job for somebody with medium skills. Could end up being the same cost as V2 arms (which aren't enough camber btw) and would be better camber and still SSP legal.
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Yeah, there's no way I'd jump to SSM just for the arms -- there's much better SSP-legal ways to just get the camber fixes. If you're not worried about being competitive, that's fine too, but if you have even a vague iota of hope of being competitive, it's a BIG PAX jump from SSP to SSM, and V2Arms aren't going to make up the difference.

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You know, you could just take your lower control arms to a welder and have them lengthened a little bit. Should be a really easy job for somebody with medium skills. Could end up being the same cost as V2 arms (which aren't enough camber btw) and would be better camber and still SSP legal.
How can V2 arms have not enough camber?

How much camber you running Matt?

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Lowering my car to 110mm ride height, adding V2arms, and pulling all the shims only got me to 2.5/2.7 L/R front camber. I expect that the new EP uprights will get me additional camber, but I wanted more than the above numbers, so the next step was going to be milling the hub if I didn't go to new uprights.

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HOLY CARP!!! You guys are running so MASS amounts of camber!!!

Are you doing this to compensate for the 275 wide front tires? To get more rubber contact in the corners?

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You want even rubber contact across the surface when at max lateral Gs. If your tire temps aren't showing even all the way across the tire after driving around a skidpad, you need more camber.

The 275 A6s get us more lateral grip, which means more roll in corners, which means more angle, which means needing more camber to compensate. It's not the width of the tires, though, it's just the grip it generates.

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Lowering my car to 110mm ride height, adding V2arms, and pulling all the shims only got me to 2.5/2.7 L/R front camber. I expect that the new EP uprights will get me additional camber, but I wanted more than the above numbers, so the next step was going to be milling the hub if I didn't go to new uprights.
I had had the same problem with the V2 Arms 2.8 max both sides ... disappointing .
Now using the EP uprights [ GT version /40mm drop] and both sides set at 3.9.. could have gone to 4.1 max.
Make sure you get shocks to suit the EP uprights to ensure your ride centres are OK .
Makes a HUGE difference to the handling.
Don't forget to install Monoballs or the EP equalivent ... maybe even go with the EP T45 Wishbones .

And just to stay on track with the thread ...Glagola1... great job on the flares .. I would be keen to purchase if you decide to manufacture.

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LOL!!! I literally JUST realized that I am in a COMPLETELY different mindset than the rest of the SERIOUS Hardcore AUTOX! I know now that I am in this for the fun of building a car and competing Locally...you guys are honestly amazing!!!

All I can say is: "I Applaude You!" Matt and all for the work of dedication/set up you are putting into your cars.

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There's definitely a line you cross between messing around and srsbzns. Just depends whether you like the competitive aspect of autox more than the other parts.

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There's definitely a line you cross between messing around and srsbzns. Just depends whether you like the competitive aspect of autox more than the other parts.
Agreed...and where I enjoy the competitive nature of AutoX I have to say my budget is limited to my family and kids. I still very much applaud you and Matt in the builds you are guys are doing.

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I like all the aspects of auto-x. I like building. I like driving. I like the social aspects.... and I like the competition. I also like traveling and going to podunk towns for the weekend. I like sunburns and wind burns and sore feet.
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With all these folks building for SSM now, I think the RX-7's may finally have some competition ... and yes the fun is the key part and really the core reason I'm not interested in taking parts off to go to SSP.

And one can always buy a super charger and some lead later if need be

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Yeah, there's no way I'd jump to SSM just for the arms -- there's much better SSP-legal ways to just get the camber fixes. If you're not worried about being competitive, that's fine too, but if you have even a vague iota of hope of being competitive, it's a BIG PAX jump from SSP to SSM, and V2Arms aren't going to make up the difference.
I also like the bump-steer advantage. Some day I may put in a fast rack, as I have always been disappointed that the Elise steering is so s-l-o-w compared to my former Europa.

I am not going to win Nationals. I don't have the native talent. I am going to go faster and have fun. A am winning the soft SSR class locally, but that's not what I am here for.

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That looks great!! Awesome work Sir!!!
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I concur!


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Very nice

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