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Is anyone really likely to remove your undertray just to check your oilpan? Seems kinda silly and excessive.

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Is anyone really likely to remove your undertray just to check your oilpan? Seems kinda silly and excessive.
we're talking about dodging cones in parking lots - autox, by definition, is silly and excessive
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Is anyone really likely to remove your undertray just to check your oilpan? Seems kinda silly and excessive.
Locally probably not. At Nationals...definitely.

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Locally probably not. At Nationals...definitely in stock class.

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Time to start an ugly rumor, I understand Clovis has titanium rods in his engine!

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Is anyone really likely to remove your undertray just to check your oilpan? Seems kinda silly and excessive.
I've seen a stock class car get DSQ'd at Nationals for having a steering wheel diameter 1/4" out-of-spec. The protester was checking cars in grid with a tape measure. Happily, those days are pretty much over.

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I was looking for an up-to-date thread on this as I am considering my Elise for SS Class - AutoCross towards the end of March.

I was told that I can't put my clam-tilt kit on as that is a modification. Thoughts?
I would think that the clam tilt would be especially desirable so tech can more easily inspect more stuff.

I am unclear on the tire size. When I read the rules it says MAX WHEEL SIZE is 16x8 but the cars came stock with 17x7.5 in the rear. Do I really have to go buy new wheels of a different size than stock?

I am also looking for a few suggestions for springs and shocks or is it only the shocks I can replace?
If that is the case, what are the best stock springs that I might find already on my 2005 Elise?

And what different offsets were 2005 Elises equipped with between track pack and non-TP?
I found some ROTAs but it seemed that the offets were 1 mm of for voth the 16s and the 17s.

Ideally, a list of the options that the "perfect" 2005 Elise came equipped with and the allowed improvements would be.

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I don't know if I can answer all your questions, but here's is what I know/do. I am on the base suspension, you can change to LSS if you like, but you also have to change to the LSS wheels; you can't mix and match factory packages.

Tilt clam is illegal because it involves removing the rear exhaust grill. That said, I removed my rear grill for my exhaust, and no one said anything. I haven't done the tilt clam yet, but I'm going to run, and I'm going to run SS. No one will know the difference, you may get questioned at the National Level, but I'd say that's very unlikely.

I am not sure about offsets, as I understand them anyway. The LSS wheel is wider than the base wheel, so that should help some. I don't think you can add shims to make the track wider, and I am not sure that you would want to anyway, due to possible rubbing.

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I was looking for an up-to-date thread on this as I am considering my Elise for SS Class - AutoCross towards the end of March.
awesome! the more the merrier 'round these parts

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I was told that I can't put my clam-tilt kit on as that is a modification. Thoughts?
I would think that the clam tilt would be especially desirable so tech can more easily inspect more stuff.
i would clasify this as a comfort & convenience allowance. legal.

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I am unclear on the tire size. When I read the rules it says MAX WHEEL SIZE is 16x8 but the cars came stock with 17x7.5 in the rear. Do I really have to go buy new wheels of a different size than stock?
LSS wheels are as wide as you can go in SS. 16x6.5 +31 front and 17x7.5 +38 rear (+/- 6 for offset).
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I am also looking for a few suggestions for springs and shocks or is it only the shocks I can replace?
If that is the case, what are the best stock springs that I might find already on my 2005 Elise?
stiffest springs you can use are LSS. shocks are open, provided they have 2 adjustments or less (generally rebound and compression). remote reservoirs are legal.
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Ideally, a list of the options that the "perfect" 2005 Elise came equipped with and the allowed improvements would be.
my setup:
retrofitted LSD/TC
Ohlins double adjustable shocks w/ Remote Reservoirs
SSR wheels in LSS size with 205/45R16 and 245/40R17 Hoosier A6 - Toyo R1R early season/when i'm lazy and don't want to trailer/change wheels
BOE ST-5 exhaust
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The clam hinge would not be legal in SS since it relocates the battery and other components from their stock location. I also believe that Phil (BOE) said it slightly drops some weight. It also requires an exhaust that does not exit through the diffuser and the rear grills to be removed.

Wheels have to be withinin a certain offset (I believe .25) of stock and cannot be any different width that stock. The Rota torques are wider so not stock eligible.

If you change to options of another trim that is SS eligible, you need to add all of the options that also came with that trim (e.g dual oil coolers).

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Thanks for the replies.

As I was literally reading the rule book as you guys were being nice enough to shoot me some answers, I came up with conflicting wheel sizes as I read the just-updated Solo Rules and compared with the GCR. I assume that Solo Rules are the bible I would fall under?

Anyway, with the clam tilt (Aussie Clam Hinge) the battery can stay in the stock location. And either I can retain the rear grills or replace them.

I also have a Larini Sport that under the Solo Rules appears to be O.K.

And can I re-flash the ECU? It looked like this is O.K. under the Solo Rules, but I am very surprised.
If so, who do you think has the best set-up for a NA Elise? I have a spare for a reason!

Thanks for all of the great comments so far and to come. It really helps. They said I was booksmart ... these must be manuals and not books!
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The clam hinge would not be legal in SS since it relocates the battery and other components from their stock location.
not sure what clam hinge you're running but the one i just had fabbed up slots in seamlessly without any modifications. it's not the BOE one though, so you might be right if that one requires relocations/weight reduction.
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If you change to options of another trim that is SS eligible, you need to add all of the options that also came with that trim (e.g dual oil coolers).
^this.
that's the reason my '05 has both LSD and TC (useless) - since this was the only way you could get LSD in '05 from the factory (packaged with TC). ditto on the twin oil coolers. and the LSS-sized wheels.
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Thanks. I've got the dual oil coolers, shocks, & LSD. But it came with the base stock wheels.
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And can I re-flash the ECU? It looked like this is O.K. under the Solo Rules, but I am very surprised.
missed this in your post. not legal, unless authorized from the factory. i.e., aftermarket flashes are not kosher
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Thanks Boardkat.

Your post got me to go back and look at what I had read. I had conveniently skipped to page 88, F.1 - Street Touring Regs lol.
Upon further review, p78, 13.9 states No changes to electronic engine management. I don't suppose there is more than one version of "Stock" for 2005 Elise? lol
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I am going to disagree on the hinged clam being legal under "comfort and convenience." It does not aid comfort and convenience when driving. It makes service easier, which is not covered. As in... one could not add adjustable shock access holes because it was more convenient.

It does move into a grayer area, but I would consider it protestable and one could lose.

Remember the main rule in stock category is always "if it does not say you can, then you can't".
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Which is why I have submitted that question to SCCA for interpretation/clarification.
Perhaps the clam tilt aiding the inspection by tech will help.
I will post replies to the questions which I submitted when/if I receive them.
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If you are only running regional events and doing the tilt clam doesn't require any other not stock legal mods, it will be fine. I have yet to see a protest at a regional event, especially over a non-performance enhancing mod.

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