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So here is my question...where are you guys going to be placing your "extra" weight to compensate for that weight difference?

Currently my car weights 1800 lbs without me in it, and a 1/2 tank of gas. I figure with a full stereo (Including a mounted subwoofer in the passenger floorboard), my car MAY tip the scale at 1950 pounds. I plan on pouring Liquid foam (6 or 8 lb density) into the front clam shell to strengthen it and give it some more weight bias, plus with the wider wheels/tires I am going to be sitting only about 30/40 pound shy, which will be a lead weight placed under the subwoofer or passenger seat for secure/proper placement.

Do you guys have other ideas for placement/location or ways to fatten our cars up?

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Lead/Steel weight(s) under the passenger seat/at the passenger's feat. That's my plan. I'll prolly do a subwoofer at the passenger footwell as well down the road.

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Hmm.

My car is lower. Nose bottomed on the tailgate/ramp when I went to winch it in tonight (going to thealignmentguy.com tomorrow).

Get out the Torx driver and remove the flipper. Back to using the Race Ramps I stopped using when I got the beavertail trailer.

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Hmm.

My car is lower. Nose bottomed on the tailgate/ramp when I went to winch it in tonight (going to thealignmentguy.com tomorrow).

Get out the Torx driver and remove the flipper. Back to using the Race Ramps I stopped using when I got the beavertail trailer.
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Can anyone explain the differences between SSP and SSM preparation for the Elise? What typically makes one choose SSM over SSP?

I've read the rulebook and it seems like I would fit into SSP as opposed to SSM. Since I haven't done this in a while, I thought I'd ask you guys and see if I am missing something in reading the rules

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SSM is SSP + aero + motor builds/swaps + transmission changes, among some other less important stuff. I think the oil pan takes you out of SSP and puts you into SSM anyway, though.

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thanks that helps. I always hate to show up and missed something in the rules and end up running in a different class than I expected to.

I checked on the oil pan and the rules in SSP state any oil pan may be used:

15.10 ENGINE AND DRIVE TRAIN
A. Engines must retain standard type lubricating system, but may have
any oil pan (Accusump®-type systems allowed), oil pump and pickup, oil cooler(s), or oil or fuel filters.
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Ah ok cool. I skipped straight from stock/ST to SM, so I don't know the SP rulesets outside of what I need that supercedes through to SM.

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Correct me if I am wrong...and this really only applies to SERIOUS AutoX's...but SSP cars typically will want to go for the Lightest weight possibly achieved with the HIGHEST OEM power available. So that would mean lose as much body fat off the car as you can, and then find yourself an OEM Exige S/C kit, and get a Wicked nasty tune and have at it!!!

Where as with SSM:

You have to weight a certain weight requirement (Coding paradox explained above) and have options for ANY OEM Manufacturer's power plant/transmission. Since Toyota made our motors, you can use Any motor/transmission combination they have ever produced.

So as was explained to me from many others...SSM allows you to maintain creature comforts (i.e. A/C, stereo, sound deadening material...etc) and SSP requires you to put your car on a diet. Also body modification is allowed in SSM but not in SSP (i.e. delete front turn signals...etc)

Sound about right guys?

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I thought toe link braces/upgrades would put you in SSM also, no?

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I think you can argue that's the one control arm you get to change out. IIRC there's a provision for changing one of the control arms, but maybe that's only ST, not SP.

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Yes, I agree that could be argues. Because they only affect the camber, which is open, they should be okay. I cannot find anything specific for those control arms in the SSP regs.
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I just pored over the rules again since I'm currently Elise shopping.

A couple of notes. It looks like the SSP allowance for suspension arm changes expressly refers only to an upper or lower control arm; since it makes no mention of a toe link or additional lateral link change. I think you'd have a hard time making that argument.

In SSM, you'd have to be able to argue that your uprated toe links use stock mounting points. So I think something like Sector's RTD2 brace might not qualify depending on how you interpret that rule.

15.H.1
On double/unequal arm (e.g., wishbone, multi-link) suspensions,
only the upper arms OR lower arms may be modified or replaced,
but not both. Non-integral longitudinal arms that primarily control
fore/aft wheel movement (e.g., trailing arm(s) or link(s) of a multi-
link suspension) may not be replaced, changed, or modified.

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Here's a list I built for myself to help distinguish what's allowed and whats not with regards to SSP vs SSM. It is NOT all inclusive, but meant to reflect mods I would want to make to the Elise.
PLEASE let me know if you see any errors or misinterpretations in this list. A lot of people have been asking about individual mods, (including me) so I thought a simple lotus-focused list would be appreciated.

SSP ruleset allowances:

any ECU/tuning
AC delete
shim removal (all?)
cut fenders for tire clearance + flares
any steering wheel
Splitter
Spoiler (not wing)
pedal covers
clutch stop
radio removal - holes must be covered.
rear view mirror and sun visor removal
any wheel size, studs/bolts, spacers
Any shocks
any brake line, MC, proportioning valve
ABS disabled
any brake rotor if ferrous metal
any brake caliper (no fewer than stock pistons)
any anti-roll bar
Suspension bushings replaced but same amount of metal as OEM (no monoballs)
Upper OR lower suspension arms may be modded or replaced, but not both. non-integral longitudinal arms may not be changed
Battery can be changed but voltage must be same; can be relocated but not to passenger compartment
Any oil pan
any oil coolers
add heat shields
Air filters free
exhaust manifold and muffler free
exhaust heat shields can be removed
engine and tranny mounts can be replaced
any clutch
LSD permitted
accessory pulleys can be swapped
(STOCK supercharger w any intercooler, stock pulley).

SSP limitations:
seating surfaces must be fully upholstered (no bare carbon buckets)
No sideskirts
no wings
no aftermarket diffuser
no side scoops
no baffled gas tank (?)


Additional allowances in SSM:
Any supercharger/intercooler/pulley setup
Any Toyota block
Any transmission (including sequential if you're rich)
any fuel pump
fuel tank modded/baffled
suspension is free if mounted to OEM points (Monoballs now OK)
steering rack changes
Wing up to 8sqft, up to two elements, (can’t extend beyond vehicle width or 6” above roof, 0” behind car)
reinforcements of wing mount area.
canards
splitters 6” in front
carbon roof
aftermarket side mirrors (15sqin +)

SSM limitations:

weight minimums (18360 NA, 2240 (or 2440 if >275 rear tires); additional 25lbs/liter weight if >51% rear weight bias)
no aftermarket diffuser
no side scoops
No sideskirts

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Don't forget: any Toyota motor, any transmission (including sequential, if desired).

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Don't forget: any Toyota motor, any transmission (including sequential, if desired).
What stock Toyota has a sequential?

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Any stock Toyota block.

Full stop.

Any transmission.

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Don't forget: any Toyota motor, any transmission (including sequential, if desired).
added. Thanks. I had been making the list for myself and have no intent of engine or tranny swaps for many years, so I left it out; but I'll put it in for others who may like the list format.

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Any stock Toyota block.

Full stop.

Any transmission.
I really have to stop posting while I am about to leave for an event...

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So I just ran my first SSM points event. Out of 4 members I got 2nd place, I don't think I will ever get first though. My main comp is an 87 Turbo RX7 running 315 hoosiers square! : . He got me by 1.6secs, it would have less but I kept blowing the last turn. I'm pretty happy though, since I am on a 225 square 100tw R compound. The other cars in my class are a 1st gen RX7 that has been turbo'd (original owner and exremely clean!) running on Hoosiers and a 2000+ Z3M Coupe on some kind of BFG slick.
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