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So I just ran my first SSM points event. Out of 4 members I got 2nd place, I don't think I will ever get first though. My main comp is an 87 Turbo RX7 running 315 hoosiers square! : . He got me by 1.6secs, it would have less but I kept blowing the last turn. I'm pretty happy though, since I am on a 225 square 100tw R compound. The other cars in my class are a 1st gen RX7 that has been turbo'd (original owner and exremely clean!) running on Hoosiers and a 2000+ Z3M Coupe on some kind of BFG slick.
Getting first is totally possible on 225 square Hoosiers. I got 7th at nats in 2013 on 224/245 Hoosiers and that's less tire than a 225 square set up these days with the new A7s.

Also, min weight is 2120 for a boosted 1.8 ltr, rear heavy car.
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So I just ran my first SSM points event. Out of 4 members I got 2nd place, I don't think I will ever get first though. My main comp is an 87 Turbo RX7 running 315 hoosiers square! : . He got me by 1.6secs, it would have less but I kept blowing the last turn. I'm pretty happy though, since I am on a 225 square 100tw R compound. The other cars in my class are a 1st gen RX7 that has been turbo'd (original owner and exremely clean!) running on Hoosiers and a 2000+ Z3M Coupe on some kind of BFG slick.
Good showing! That RX-7 was on a lot of tire. Of course everyone was handily spanked by Wade's FFR, but that's how he does.

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Getting first is totally possible on 225 square Hoosiers. I got 7th at nats in 2013 on 224/245 Hoosiers and that's less tire than a 225 square set up these days with the new A7s.

Also, min weight is 2120 for a boosted 1.8 ltr, rear heavy car.
I think Tyler is on Avons or some other non-Hoosier slick, and he was running with a ballast (Dwayne). Also, my buddy Paul sent me the link to your flares build thread on roadraceautox a few months ago, funny seeing you here. Maybe I should stop trolling the parts and general sections, and branch out more.

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Getting first is totally possible on 225 square Hoosiers. I got 7th at nats in 2013 on 224/245 Hoosiers and that's less tire than a 225 square set up these days with the new A7s.

Also, min weight is 2120 for a boosted 1.8 ltr, rear heavy car.
Is that weight with/without driver and how much fuel on board? I'm running Maxxis RC1 victra, which is the same as an NT01/888 so definately a disavantage there. I dont intend on running at the National level anytime soon, I really want to start racing Club trials. This season will determine how far I want to go with autoX. If someone would make some overfenders available it may help


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Good showing! That RX-7 was on a lot of tire. Of course everyone was handily spanked by Wade's FFR, but that's how he does.
You did awesome as well, you were the fastest NA by almost 2 seconds. I think Wade actually got beat, I can't see the results at work, but I think he got 2nd in XP.
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So I just ran my first SSM points event. Out of 4 members I got 2nd place, I don't think I will ever get first though. My main comp is an 87 Turbo RX7 running 315 hoosiers square! : . He got me by 1.6secs, it would have less but I kept blowing the last turn. I'm pretty happy though, since I am on a 225 square 100tw R compound. The other cars in my class are a 1st gen RX7 that has been turbo'd (original owner and exremely clean!) running on Hoosiers and a 2000+ Z3M Coupe on some kind of BFG slick.
I think you have a shot at that RX7 when you have Hoosiers and practice.

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I think you have a shot at that RX7 when you have Hoosiers and practice.
Grrrr... 2seconds behind the leader yesterday. There were alot of driving errors on my part (being too cautious and over braking) but I am getting a lot of wheel spin (no LSD) coming out of corners. Next race isnt until the 17th, but I will be running with my other club on the 9th for testing.
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Grrrr... 2seconds behind the leader yesterday. There were alot of driving errors on my part (being too cautious and over braking) but I am getting a lot of wheel spin (no LSD) coming out of corners. Next race isnt until the 17th, but I will be running with my other club on the 9th for testing.
Smile because this is fun.

If it is important to you to catch this guy, buy the Hoosiers.

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Personally...(Keep in mind I am not as good/experienced as others on this thread), but I would say get better at driving the car on Street tires first. They are more forgiving and allow you to "clean up" your driving habits. They after you are A LOT cleaner, then make the move to Hoosiers. Honestly I have a guy who I run with who runs Toyo R1Rs on his SS prepped Elise and he can generally match or beat the 2014 ZR-1 (SSP) on hoosiers (with a very experienced driver behind the wheel) in raw, but ALWAYS in Pax virtually every event.

And then put him behind the wheel of my under prepped SSP elise (I only have Penske D/As to be in the SSP class...other than that I would be in the SS class really) and he can still match/beat the same car in either raw or PAX on well used street tires.

So I say get more practice, and then when you think you are really ready, make the jump to Hoosiers. If not...then you rely more on the ability of the tires to keep you in "check" and less on your own ability to be smooth in your car. Smoothness is what I need to fix in my own driving habits.

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Smile because this is fun.

If it is important to you to catch this guy, buy the Hoosiers.
Definitely fun, if it wasn't I wouldn't compete. Really just posting my progress/results for the season. Should I start a new thread?

I'm running brand new R-comps (888/NT01 style), so no budget for new tires this season. I like the idea of being an underdog (well, tire wise at least, can't really be an underdog in an Exige.)

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Personally...(Keep in mind I am not as good/experienced as others on this thread), but I would say get better at driving the car on Street tires first. They are more forgiving and allow you to "clean up" your driving habits. They after you are A LOT cleaner, then make the move to Hoosiers. Honestly I have a guy who I run with who runs Toyo R1Rs on his SS prepped Elise and he can generally match or beat the 2014 ZR-1 (SSP) on hoosiers (with a very experienced driver behind the wheel) in raw, but ALWAYS in Pax virtually every event.

And then put him behind the wheel of my under prepped SSP elise (I only have Penske D/As to be in the SSP class...other than that I would be in the SS class really) and he can still match/beat the same car in either raw or PAX on well used street tires.

So I say get more practice, and then when you think you are really ready, make the jump to Hoosiers. If not...then you rely more on the ability of the tires to keep you in "check" and less on your own ability to be smooth in your car. Smoothness is what I need to fix in my own driving habits.
You are absolutely right, last season I ran with a local driving club that is "run what you brung" and pretty much I ran old Z1s last season and was plagued with traction issues, but I was consistent. Typically finished in the top 20 raw times out of 70-100 cars. A few times I was able to drive my friends car or borrow his 888s and would finish in the top 6-10. So I decided to just get a set of 100tw R comps and run SCCA and see where I am. The R comps don't talk, the course is faster and I am no where as smooth as I should be. It hasn't been warm enough to get these tires up to operating temp, so I still haven't seen what they are capable of. I will finish this season on the current set up and upgrade to hoosiers next year.
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NICE!!! I just picked up a set of RS3 V2s from a friend and plan on running these this year...and hopefully next if they survive to see how well I can clean up and smooth out my inputs to the car. Next year will be an even greater learning curve for me as I plan on producing A LOT more power than stock and so have to relearn the car all over again. I feel like I have made a lot of headway so far as to where I currently am, so I am just going to have a lot of fun building the car and racing it locally. I know already that the car is FAR from competitive against the guys I have been following/talking to, and that my funds department is not nearly large enough to get as serious as these guys are.

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I will be on the Toyos this weekend as the site has a cheese-grater rep and I want the tires to still be good later in the season. Usually it is cld for this event, but this time it is going to be 70. Temptation is strong, but I need to take the long view.

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Might be good to start a new thread in this forum for low-budget builds and determining bang for your buck and such (no offense intended or anything, it's just an apples to oranges sorta thing compared to a full-out build.)

As a small update on my car, the plan I've executed seems to be working quite well so far -- back to back wins at Crow's Landing. It's nearly identical to Glagola's build, and we're both doing great this season so far. Should be a good year. Lots more details on the build wiki in my signature.

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Sorry Coding, you are right...my apologizes. I have learned from both Matt (Glagola1) and Fred that you guys are DEFINITELY "Big Boys" compared to my desire to compete in the sport. If I had the funds...I would be right there with you, but at this point in time...there is NO CHANCE I could afford it. I applaud you and your work. Give us some more updates, love to hear things are going on your build and the places/direction you went in many of it.

P.S. I will start my build thread this fall/winter when I start building mine.

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No apologies necessary, it just looked like the thread was about to get fully jacked and I wanted to rein it in. ;-)

In the next week I hope to catch up with the build blog. Everything came together in a frantic 3 week period where I didn't get much sleep and worked on the car every waking moment I wasn't eating or day-job-working, so I didn't have any time to post incremental build stuff. Have lots of pictures from stuff along the way, though, so I should be able to reconstruct it in some capacity.

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Understandable...looking forward to it.

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No apologies necessary, it just looked like the thread was about to get fully jacked and I wanted to rein it in. ;-)

In the next week I hope to catch up with the build blog. Everything came together in a frantic 3 week period where I didn't get much sleep and worked on the car every waking moment I wasn't eating or day-job-working, so I didn't have any time to post incremental build stuff. Have lots of pictures from stuff along the way, though, so I should be able to reconstruct it in some capacity.

That's what you get for not keeping us up to date!
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Sorry Coding, you are right...my apologizes. I have learned from both Matt (Glagola1) and Fred that you guys are DEFINITELY "Big Boys" compared to my desire to compete in the sport. If I had the funds...I would be right there with you, but at this point in time...there is NO CHANCE I could afford it. I applaud you and your work. Give us some more updates, love to hear things are going on your build and the places/direction you went in many of it.

P.S. I will start my build thread this fall/winter when I start building mine.
Giantmcm, if you wanna make a 'budget SSM' thread, I'd be right there with you. Just got my Elise a few weeks ago and due to some mods that I don't want to un-do, I'll be running SSM as well. Planning to go the 'light and slow' route for a few years until there are enough funds to do a full on build.
We should definitely make a thread to discuss bang-for-buck mods and so on.

Ok, /hijack

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Giantmcm, if you wanna make a 'budget SSM' thread, I'd be right there with you. Just got my Elise a few weeks ago and due to some mods that I don't want to un-do, I'll be running SSM as well. Planning to go the 'light and slow' route for a few years until there are enough funds to do a full on build.
We should definitely make a thread to discuss bang-for-buck mods and so on.

Ok, /hijack
Why go with a light/slow SSM semi-build instead of just doing SSP for the interim? If you're not adding power, then SSP has an easier PAX and allows almost all of the mods you're probably considering doing.

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Why go with a light/slow SSM semi-build instead of just doing SSP for the interim? If you're not adding power, then SSP has an easier PAX and allows almost all of the mods you're probably considering doing.
Like I said, the mods already on the car put it in SSM, and I don't want to un-do them for a better PAX. I'm only racing locally/regionally, and more interested in raw time and class placing than PAX. My first event ever in the car, 2 weeks after it arrived, I was 3.5sec off the SSM class winning car (well-prepped Z06 on 335 section Hoosiers) - so I'm pretty sure I can be competitive for the class here.

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Ah sorry missed that from the first post there... Yeah, fair enough. Whatever your easiest way to get a baseline that you can measure improvement on, that's what's important to find.

Tires on the right size wheels are your biggest bang for buck far and away, then good shocks/the right springs. After that, ignoring power, everything is pretty low-level incremental.

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Ah sorry missed that from the first post there... Yeah, fair enough. Whatever your easiest way to get a baseline that you can measure improvement on, that's what's important to find.

Tires on the right size wheels are your biggest bang for buck far and away, then good shocks/the right springs. After that, ignoring power, everything is pretty low-level incremental.
yup. Working on the planning part of it, and making several changes over the off season. It's got DA Ohlins off a cup car (have to figure out what spring rates), and the current wheels are 16x6.5/17x7.5 SSR competitions, which are very light, but a bit narrow. Considering the Bogarts for race tires, but they're really expensive, and may actually be heavier. I'm replacing all the suspension bushings and such this winter, maybe bigger front bar, and considering rebuilding the shocks if the funds exist. The clutch slipped pretty bad on one of my runs at the last AX, so that may need replacement first

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