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SSM Elise without forced induction

Does anyone have opinions on running the Elise in SSM with no supercharger or turbo? I know the car would not take a national trophy home, but could it be competitive locally/regionally.

From what I've read the car could be as light as 1805 pounds with stock displacement. I've bumped myself out of SS class with minor mods, but don't really want to spend the money for forced induction at this point. I was going to run SSP, but that class is pretty empty in our area.

Any ideas would be great.
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I thought SSM has a weight limit. it is my understanding that people will not mind what you do as long as you are not winning.

I run SSM with a turbo and the only cars in our class are Elises
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I thought SSM has a weight limit. it is my understanding that people will not mind what you do as long as you are not winning.

I run SSM with a turbo and the only cars in our class are Elises
I thought it was 1805 pounds without forced induction. I'm not sure where my car would be, but I have done some weight reductions already. Seems wrong to put back the weight, then pay for a turbo/SC.

Just trying to figure it out though
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This is an issue I am running into as well, but plan on elevating in the Far future (i.e. about 2 years from now).

However, I am thinking that locally if the track is a short track (i.e. more turns than "straights") and you have plenty of seat time then you should be quite competitive in the local class. I mean on my "home" course we have a SS lotus elise that has posted the fastest raw times in the last two races we have hosted running Toyo R1Rs in the front and Star Spec Z1s in the rear, and that is against Nissan GTRs, Vettes, turbos, non-modified and modified vehicles etc... So based on track design I think the N/A could show it's weakness.

Other than that, i believe the N/A elise should be QUITE competitive in the SSM class, especially locally, Nationally...as Sprocket said...probably not.

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Thanks guys. I'm not looking to win nationals, but I would also like to have a solid chance against other cars in that class without having to step up to a turbo/sc setup.

The car is getting dialed in well and with some sticky tires I think I can put up some great times next season. I'm considering this a learning season as I just got the car and have not auto crossed for a few years.
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Would 15" wheels be the hot setup?

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Would 15" wheels be the hot setup?
I'm sure it would be the Fred combo. Fat 17/15 wrapped in Hoosiers.
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I have kicked this idea around alot and ultimately you have to understand it is an underdog car and won't win when it gets serious!

You can still spend SSM money just on NA with ported Jim C head, built super-duper high compression E85 motor with standalone etc and still be down 100HP on the boosted guys.

That said, If I was gonna do it on the cheap, I would:

Do a JimC head with Race Cams,
run the 15F17R on 10" wheels (maybe 10.5" rear") to get all the grip.
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Hey Fred..

I agree that it might not be a monster at the national level. I was looking at it as a practical (low cost) approach to being locally competitive given the minor mods I've done to the car already.

I have a set of Lotus S260/260Cup Forged Wheels (code 1089) on it now, is there a 15 x 8 front that matches these. I only see a 15 x 7 front (code 1111) on your web site.

Rather than going as extreme as the 10 wide rims.

Would you run 225/45R15F on a 15 x 7 rim? I mean I know that YOU wouldn't, but would it be ok for local guys just trying to keep up with the Vettes and Miatas.

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Fred is correct... any Lotus will be fun to autocross but putting any under prepared car in any class will eventually become disappointing. I'd pull off whatever mod's bumped you out of SS.
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The biggest part of this question should be where do you run and against who? There are a lot of regions where just setting the car up for SS would beat SSM locally.

If you run in a region with a strong SSM class, you might have to up the ante.
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