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Track Pack Swaybar VS. BWR Bar

Any comment on the differences between these two bars? They are both adjustable. I have the Sport suspension and would like to stiffen up the front bar for autocrossing,I can get a Track pack bar used or should I shell out the money for the BWR bar because it's that much better? Thanks Rich

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Trackpack Swaybar Vs. BWR Bar

Any comment on the differences between these two bars? They are both adjustable. I have the Sport suspension and would like to stiffen up the front bar for autocrossing,I can get a Track pack bar used or should I shell out the money for the BWR bar because it's that much better? Thanks Rich

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Any comment on the differences between these two bars? They are both adjustable. I have the Sport suspension and would like to stiffen up the front bar for autocrossing,I can get a Track pack bar used or should I shell out the money for the BWR bar because it's that much better? Thanks Rich
I'd have to point out the suspension (not the sway bar) is the more important factor (between the two). I'll let others chime in.

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Rich, the stiffness ranges differ between the bars. I haven't run the track pack bar, but it is similar diameter and weight to the non adjustable LSS or base bar. So, I would imagine the stiffness isn't hugely different than what you have now.

The BWR bars are significantly stiffer than the base bar. I've used both the BWR S/T bar and the hardcore bar. The hardcore bar is _really_ light weight considering the large diameter. The hardcore bar is also significantly stiffer than the S/T bar. For me, it came down to driving style preference. I like predictable rotation and the S/T bar yielded a balance that was more predictable to slide around. Both bars can yield quick setups.

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Jake knows I had the trackpack bar on my Exige and later switched to an old BWR prototype bar that is between the street and the hardcore. The change was HUGELY better with that bar than the trackpack bar on full stiff. If it were me, I would not bother with the trackpack bar and go straight to one of the BWR bars. For me I would prefer the hardcore but Jake proved he could be faster on the Street bar.

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I took the original bar and drilled holes into it, it was a DIY thread I found on LT long ago...it was my step inbetween the original bar to the BWR Bar. When the option to get into the BWR Hardcore bar came up, I made the switch...and honestly I will never look back. The bar COMPLETELY changes the way the car responds to inputs from the steering wheel. It makes it react so much more crisp. Yes San is right, the suspension has A LOT to do with it as well, Penske D/As without a doubt if you are autoxing, but the hardcore bar also makes a dramatic increase in response. At the same time if it is to stiff it will cause the car to SERIOUSLY push without ANY chance of it snap oversteering...so with the proper alignment changes and just the sway bar, you can "tame" the car's snap oversteer a little bit.

I should also state this...just to cover bases, tires are just as important.

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Spitfun, what's the rest of your setup? I was about to ask the same question as your original post, but don't want to thread hijack.

I have what I think is the track pack adj front bar (prior owner called it a 'cup car bar'); trying to decide if the BWR street bar or hardcore bar is a better bet for my setup and plans (N/A Elise, Ohlins D/As, S111 V2 arms, and as much hoosier as I can fit under un-cut bodywork).

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I have what I think is the track pack adj front bar (prior owner called it a 'cup car bar'); trying to decide if the BWR street bar or hardcore bar is a better bet for my setup and plans (N/A Elise, Ohlins D/As, S111 V2 arms, and as much hoosier as I can fit under un-cut bodywork).
I would strongly suggest that you get the Ohlins D/As revalved. I found the valving to be inadequate for performance driving; Auto-X or Track. I worked with a local company and found a good setup that works for street, Auto-X & track. Drop me a PM if you want contact info.

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My car is stock with the sport pack only and RE71R Bridgestones (205,245 combo). I am thinking to step up the front bar (a used one) along with heim joint end links,when I do go to the BWR bar it will be with new shocks/springs... I figure the adjustable bar is at least a step up from my non adjustable bar... Rich

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I would strongly suggest that you get the Ohlins D/As revalved. I found the valving to be inadequate for performance driving; Auto-X or Track. I worked with a local company and found a good setup that works for street, Auto-X & track. Drop me a PM if you want contact info.

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Trackpack bar not stiff enough on full stiff for stock class cars. BWR bar!


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Yeah, the TrackPack bar is as Jdawson says, a stocker with a couple of holes. The S/T bar much stiffer and has several benefits: 1. The turn-in is much crisper. 2. Transitional response is much more lively. 3. Plants the inside rear tire to prevent spin-up on tight corners. Thanks for all the kind words, folks!


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