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09-27-2012 08:25 PM
los the shear panel of my regular 2011 Exige S is integrated and rivetted to the under engine panel and is bolted the the subframe with bolts through the under engine panel

as a result there are extra bolts to remove to get the engine panel off

check this post out

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f91/...9/#post1570164

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Originally Posted by <@¿@> View Post
I've got a 2009 Cup 260 and the rear stiffness is just a shear panel that bolts to the chassis, under the engine. My car came with it and it’s just a carryover from 2009. You can add that to any Elise/Exige...
09-27-2012 06:37 PM
RENDERMAN I jus can't seem to understand how can you say the 2010 Exige is ugly and find the hurst/El camino Europa so beautiful, me no comprende señor....
09-19-2012 06:33 PM
<@¿@>
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Originally Posted by dnovo View Post
Yes, but stiffer compared to what? The 'normal' Exige? The 260 or 260 Cup? The actual technical details seem a bit sparse, and nobody seems to know if the changes are capable of a simple upgrade, which I suspect they may very well be. Be nice to have some real data rather than just press releases. Dave
I've got a 2009 Cup 260 and the rear stiffness is just a shear panel that bolts to the chassis, under the engine. My car came with it and it’s just a carryover from 2009. You can add that to any Elise/Exige...

The tea-tray rear wing of 2009 and prior models flaps in the breeze (vibrates)…I don’t like anything flapping in the breeze on my car. It causes drag and fatigue cracks. I got HKFever’s CF replica of the 2010 rear wing and it doesn’t flap at all…I haven’t gotten the car on a track since I installed the new rear wing, so I can’t say about performance improvements yet.

Another performance improvement was the 5-spoke wheels…these were the lightest ones ever made for the Elise/Exige…but that P/N is already obsolete! I don’t know if they had failures with the original super light design…but you don’t change P/Ns just for the exercise of changing parts mid stream.
09-19-2012 03:53 PM
StewieK I personally like both. I think they're just slightly different flavors for different tastes. I lean toward the 2010, but then again I have my own good personal reason.


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Originally Posted by Ryephile View Post
Back On-Topic: I saw a Carbon Gray Exige 260 at Auto Europe a few weeks ago. It was much better looking in person than I thought it'd be. At first release of the press shots I wasn't thrilled with the changes. Like Vishus_1 said; the square new features seemed to clash with the curved surfaces. In the flesh however it's much more cohesive and it works pretty well. I like the front end for sure, though I can't say I'd want to trade mine for a '10 on looks alone. The rear wing I'm still not a fan of; it does look ricey and complicates the otherwise very sexy rear fender curves and creases. In the interior, the dry-carbon bits are very nice!
I just bought that one.
08-20-2011 04:22 PM
NoFear99 I own a 2007 and I would love to have the new 2010 front bumper design but too pricey to do the conversion. Somebody wanna trade ?

The 2010 front look more agressive.

Mine look like a happy face smiling.
06-27-2010 08:41 PM
naniekso I like the way the 2010 looks. I never liked the cross-eyed beetle look lol
06-11-2010 02:18 AM
CeeTee I love the way the 2010 looks. I may even buy one!
06-09-2010 11:15 AM
fsparv
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Originally Posted by Ryephile View Post
It was much better looking in person than I thought it'd be.
This seems to often be the case with sports cars. Online photos just don't do justice. I used to list Black as one of my least favorite colors for the Elise...
06-08-2010 05:56 AM
mota
Exige 260 cup

Been out Test driving everything with 4 wheels over past 2 months. The only Cars so far that I would class as Entertaining and Fun are Lotus Exige S PP and the 260 cup. Found both these Cars handled and brake extremely well but both lacked raw acceleration. Know 2 out of 3 is pretty good but am reluctant to compromise. Could go back to an Ariel Atom 300 but do I want to be sat in the Cold again.
Are the rumours correct about S3 Exige with a V6. Realise this would add weight but also give a better platform for increasing HP.
Not Knocking the present Car it,s amazing to drive.
05-05-2010 05:33 AM
Ryephile
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Originally Posted by Mowse View Post
The 2010 Lotus' are SLOWER???
Likely not. Over the past 6 model years the Elise/Exige have been in the 'states every year has different quoted acceleration times for the same car. What's likely happening is Lotus is using different launch methods and getting different numbers, just like what happens in real life. I wouldn't put much stock in quoted factory acceleration numbers anyway, especially ones as trivial as 0-60. Quarter mile times are slightly more useful.

Back On-Topic: I saw a Carbon Gray Exige 260 at Auto Europe a few weeks ago. It was much better looking in person than I thought it'd be. At first release of the press shots I wasn't thrilled with the changes. Like Vishus_1 said; the square new features seemed to clash with the curved surfaces. In the flesh however it's much more cohesive and it works pretty well. I like the front end for sure, though I can't say I'd want to trade mine for a '10 on looks alone. The rear wing I'm still not a fan of; it does look ricey and complicates the otherwise very sexy rear fender curves and creases. In the interior, the dry-carbon bits are very nice!
04-29-2010 03:36 AM
Mowse
WHAT???

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Originally Posted by Vishus_1 View Post
That is inaccurate. There is a mechanical difference between 2010 and 2009 which actually results in reduced performance but lower CO2. (see press release below).

For 2010, the Elise now has a 0 to 60 mph time of 5.1 seconds while the Elise SC does it in 4.3 seconds (Compared to 4.9 and 4.3 seconds for 2009).

The 2010 Lotus Exige S gets from 0 to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds while the 260 is estimated to do it in 4.0 seconds (Compared to 4.0 and 3.8 seconds for 2009).

As far as the chassis stiffness - this has only been claimed on the 2010 Exige 260 - which the US isn't getting. Regardless the 2010 Exige 260 is the same chassis as the 2009 Exige 260 - which actually is stiffer than other Exige or Elises primarily due to a revised rear sub frame (but there are other bits that are alledged to help stiffen too such as rear diffuser etc.) The 2010 Exige S 240/220 and Elise are no different or stiffer than any former year.

The 2010 Exige cosmetics are questionable in function and awful in execution and appearance. They detract from the cohesiveness of the original design and attempt to mix squarish/rectangular shapes in with oval/elliptical shapes. It doesn't work aesthetically - kind of like a child trying to put a square block where a cylinder belongs. It just doesn't fit. The upper lines of the oil cooler opening actually draw the eye and connect just slightly above the grill opening.

That rear spoiler would do better on a Toyota Celica or riced-out Honda than on the Exige. Again the designers mistake to used a part of the upper rear clam that has subtle and complex compound shapes as an attachment point for that spoiler ruins a beutiful design element plus creates a problem for the rear clam to ultimately develop stress cracks.

Overall - the 2010 Exige is a styling mistake with reduced performance but better gas mileage.
The 2010 Lotus' are SLOWER???
04-03-2010 02:18 PM
XVampireX the front end is barely updated I don't see much difference, only general polishing perhaps? now regarding the Lotus Elise for 2011 model range, that's a bit too big of a change and I will never like it, I prefer the current style of front clam.

The rear of 2010 with the spoiler, I think the previous models had better spoiler.

Overall they were a bit inspired from Japanese car makers like Subaru Imprezza, like most others said.

I'd take the previous 2009 model, not 2010.
04-03-2010 06:45 AM
texige I like the 2010 better.
04-02-2010 07:20 PM
Darth G-F Kevin, this is strating to sound like a confrotation. It's not what I want. I love both cars. It's just that I feel to express that the Exige is not the end all be all of Lotus cars. Elises can be turned into Exige killers for little money. That's my only point.

We should pursue this conversation drinking a cold one on Grande-Allee!
04-02-2010 07:13 PM
Darth G-F
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Originally Posted by NoFear99 View Post
See, you paid 10K ( Reverie Wing and a Katana SC ) + 3K ( VF2) + all the labor time you needed to install those parts = 13K + +

So you are at the price of an exige and you still have an elise resale value. You dont have the probax seat and two oil cooler. Also I've been told by my salesman Bernard that the suspension on the exige is harder for the track.

Remember there is less exige on the road than the elise and it make the car even more unique.

I dont beleive you that a stock elise is faster than a stock exige on a track.
See the Top Gear fastest Lap time board and the exige is faster. And the same driver drove both car.

it is possible you did better lap time on a track then other exige owner but not because your car was faster, because you were a better driver and thats it.
I do my own labor and don't charge myself a fee.

What will resale value do for your lap times? Also, I can resell all my mods. The Lotustalk clasified is one of the most active section. I sold my old katana manifolds and brackets in a day.

I hope you don't think Top Gear has any scientific value. EU Elise were not available with A048Rs. Something to keep in mind as tires are very important for good lap times.

I do have probax seat, just different on the Elise (missing the shoulder belt holes). The Exige ones are another example of how useless all the Exige mods are. You need a 5th point in every serious lapping club or HPDE. So if you want a harness, you need to change your seats. Exige or Elise, same thing.

The reason why I don't have two oil coolers is because I didn't buy the sport package (that is a overpriced option from Lotus). Otherwise I'd also have two oil coolers, just like you. It might be different on newer models though. But, those cars don't need two oil coolers. At least not where we live. We're a long way from Texas... On 30min sessions my coolant doens't even get to 200F.

I love the Exige, it looks great! It' just that every modification done by Lotus to make it "more track ready" doesn't really work. It's mostly to impress wannabe racers. Those who bring those cars to the track and are serious, will have to modify their cars just like an Elise driver would: aero, brakes, suspension, engine mods, fuel and oil starve cure.

The Exige should have real track ready stuff or at least have a factory option. Seriously, an out of the box ExigeS only has a 30hp advantage (that fades away quickly as laps go by because of heat soak) over a n/a Elise.

Again, the folks that feel like it is worth it, good for them. It's their money, not mine. I know that the 10-13k$ I put in my car makes me probably 8sec a lap faster than a stock ExigeS at LCMT. To me that's what's important.
04-02-2010 03:52 PM
Vishus_1 As an update to my post above - yes there is an allocation of 20 2010 Exige Sport 260's coming to North America. They are only available in Ardent Red (Base at no additional charge), Phantom Black, Carbon Grey and Aspen White with a red interior. There are some other differences from 2009 - but mostly minor.

For clarification purposes --- not all 2010 Exige's have the different rear sub frame. Only the 2009 and 2010 260 have different sub frames - the 2010 240's sub frame is just like every other year so far.
04-02-2010 03:18 PM
VisualEchos I will never like that front end, Lotus should be ashamed.
04-02-2010 03:13 PM
bueno Eh, don't like it and it's mainly cosmetics. I understand about the C02 compliance hence the slower 0-60 time and the rear sub frame which I forgot about but you're better off with an '09 260 sport or a regular 2009 Exige since performance will be better...afterall, we're mainly discussing about a 2010 facelifted Exige which is now slower than previous models including 2006N/A Exiges. Now, if we were talking about a new redesigned Exige for 2012 (?) then I'm sure we'd be talking a different ball game here.
04-02-2010 01:56 PM
NoFear99
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Originally Posted by Darth G-F View Post
Different strokes. If I paid 17k$ more for an Exige I'd want it to be MUCH faster. Turns out, I passed many Exige on the track with my stock Elise. It's a 100lbs lighter after all. And the 30hp advantage is gone after a few laps because the i/c location and air feed is ****. And unless you can drive, the 90lb DF advantage is moot.

With a simple katana and Reverie wing (total 10,000$) I was 2 sec a lap faster than a comparable driver on a Cup240. Now with the VF2 (3000$ upgrade) my guess is I'm gonna be 4sec a lap faster.

If someone pay more for the looks, I have nothing to say against that.

It's a matter of what you want. Me, I wouldn't pay more to be slower.
See, you paid 10K ( Reverie Wing and a Katana SC ) + 3K ( VF2) + all the labor time you needed to install those parts = 13K + +

So you are at the price of an exige and you still have an elise resale value. You dont have the probax seat and two oil cooler. Also I've been told by my salesman Bernard that the suspension on the exige is harder for the track.

Remember there is less exige on the road than the elise and it make the car even more unique.

I dont beleive you that a stock elise is faster than a stock exige on a track.
See the Top Gear fastest Lap time board and the exige is faster. And the same driver drove both car.

it is possible you did better lap time on a track then other exige owner but not because your car was faster, because you were a better driver and thats it.
04-02-2010 11:17 AM
Darth G-F
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Originally Posted by NoFear99 View Post
If you took a stock elise and a stock exige on a track ? which one will make the better lap time right out of the box ?

You are probably right that the exige is not perfect for somebody who race 100% of the time but who care, there is no stock car that claim to be perfect. There is always room to improve something there and there for any car. To me, as long as the exige is a little bit better than her sister,the elise on a track it is mission complete for Lotus.

I bought the Exige for the look first and also as being an upgraded Elise. I paid 15-17K for it more than an Elise and this is just normal to get a little bit more for that.
Different strokes. If I paid 17k$ more for an Exige I'd want it to be MUCH faster. Turns out, I passed many Exige on the track with my stock Elise. It's a 100lbs lighter after all. And the 30hp advantage is gone after a few laps because the i/c location and air feed is ****. And unless you can drive, the 90lb DF advantage is moot.

With a simple katana and Reverie wing (total 10,000$) I was 2 sec a lap faster than a comparable driver on a Cup240. Now with the VF2 (3000$ upgrade) my guess is I'm gonna be 4sec a lap faster.

If someone pay more for the looks, I have nothing to say against that.

It's a matter of what you want. Me, I wouldn't pay more to be slower.
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