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04-16-2016 09:02 AM
LotusLust I love the 4c but have 2 major issues. I don't want that transmission and it is fiat powered.
04-15-2016 04:23 PM
300hpMR2
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Originally Posted by gstomp06 View Post
I personally don't like the 4c's exterior styling.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

I saw the 4C at Sector111's event. I do like it's interior.

And I am glad that companies are still building light cars.
04-15-2016 04:01 PM
EliseExiger
Bravo! for your daughter!

Both great cars for different reasons. I just thought it was cool that there's an Elise out there being driven by a gal who has her own car blog! There's not enough women who take an interest in our passion for these cars IMHO (not that I mind hanging out with all you lovely blokes at the track and C&C).
04-15-2016 11:10 AM
111Joe To me, the cars are pretty different. I slot the Alfa in between the Elise and Evora. I really like both, but the Elise is much better to drive around. The Alfa is annoying around town unless you put it in all weather mode, it constantly wants to downshift hard and spool the turbo when you just want to get to the next light, its like a child. I did very much enjoy hammering it down PCH in manual mode though, if you keep it in the power and shift manually, its not constantly trying to kill you as the turbo kicks in.

They are both cool, fun cars but I believe generally appeal to two different people.
04-15-2016 10:56 AM
cyow5
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Nice to see an 11 year old car go up against a modern car but I find this whole article lacking any credible substance. So much misinformed statements that one doesn't know where to begin. To me it's not a matter about which is better but rather getting your facts straight if you're going to put an article out and so far I see very little of it.
I used to have the Automobile app on my phone as it was essentially a free magazine for whenever I was waiting. I deleted it. I'm sure they have to have someone on their staff who knows something, but most of the articles were utter garbage. Between the typos, misinformation, and simply bad writing, I couldn't justify it wasting space on my phone anymore.
04-15-2016 10:50 AM
maharvey2 Interesting comparison. I agree that some of the points don't make sense, but I commend Fiat/Alfa for actually going forward with selling a car like this today. It's the closest any other manufacturer has gotten to that raw, manual feel in a very long time. We need more cars like these.

That said, it's pretty expensive and still isn't as special as any Lotus model for me. Plus, while the reliability of Italian and British parts are suspect at best, at least Lotus used a reliable powertrain.
04-14-2016 06:31 PM
fitfan
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Originally Posted by Abe View Post
Nice to see an 11 year old car go up against a modern car but I find this whole article lacking any credible substance. So much misinformed statements that one doesn't know where to begin. To me it's not a matter about which is better but rather getting your facts straight if you're going to put an article out and so far I see very little of it.
my thoughts exactly, useless verbiage... not sure what the point was of it. most of the comments make no sense.

some nice pics though, i like the Alfa, and i like my Elise.
04-14-2016 05:47 PM
Abe Nice to see an 11 year old car go up against a modern car but I find this whole article lacking any credible substance. So much misinformed statements that one doesn't know where to begin. To me it's not a matter about which is better but rather getting your facts straight if you're going to put an article out and so far I see very little of it.
04-14-2016 05:46 PM
Verichai The article seemed to hail the Elise the victor in more categories and then but then came out of left field at the end with a win for the Alfa. I think the reviewer was seduced by the "newness", the growl and the turbo punch of the 4C. I mean, these designs are 20 years apart.

I've said this before, but I very nearly bought a 4C. I ended up going with the Lotus due to concerns over the reliability/quality of a Fiat product, and because I just could not bring myself buy a driver's car without a manual transmission.

Very cool car though, in any case.
04-14-2016 04:29 PM
BWex
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Originally Posted by JonOrangeElise View Post
Well... Rob Deitsch just did some work on it. Motor mount inserts, along with a bunch of work on the shifter itself. The problem was upshifting from 2nd to 3rd at Turn 11 at Laguna. Before his work, I was getting "locked out" or grinding or hitting 5th by mistake every other upshift exiting that turn. After the work, I made it through four 20 minute sessions with just two misshifts. I'm still not loving Lotus's shifter, but it's better after his mods.
I had the same problem, put in stiffer transmission mounts, and the problem is gone. (Down side is that there's more vibration conducted to the driver, but it's worth the better shifting.)
04-14-2016 04:26 PM
BWex Nice Elise. And cool little website. So if we compare the Elise SC to the Alfa 4c, the Elise SC either wins or at least basically ties on his three categories of Engine, Power and Performance. With those three taken away as wins from the 4c, it clearly loses its winning spot and the Elise SC pulls way ahead. In your face, Alfa 4c! No doubt the Elise takes a hit on getting in and out, but if you get the technique down it's a piece of cake -- I use the technique of putting your right hand at the base of the handbrake and left hand on sill, lift butt in the air slightly, stick left leg out, stick butt on sill, bend head all the way over, pull butt and head out, right leg last. Getting in is done like that but in reverse. What's so hard about that? The automatic in the 4c is a game-over problem. A car like that cries out for a manual transmission.
04-14-2016 02:18 PM
glb I highly recommend Power Punch moly additive for Elise transmissions.

I have two of these 6 speeds and both shift better, even in cold weather, than they had.

I assume Rob (who is VERY good) did the Stan mod to shift tower. That helped me, as did the Sector 111 through bolt and plate.
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Article:

Inflation means that a $45k car from 2005 would cost $54,600 today.

That Alfa is significantly more expensive.

I don't want a turbo. I don't want an automatic.

I'd bet that the Lotus is the more reliable car, but Alfa sell so few that we may never know.
04-14-2016 02:01 PM
Vantage
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Originally Posted by JonOrangeElise View Post
Well... Rob Deitsch just did some work on it. Motor mount inserts, along with a bunch of work on the shifter itself. The problem was upshifting from 2nd to 3rd at Turn 11 at Laguna. Before his work, I was getting "locked out" or grinding or hitting 5th by mistake every other upshift exiting that turn. After the work, I made it through four 20 minute sessions with just two misshifts. I'm still not loving Lotus's shifter, but it's better after his mods.
That doesn't sound pleasant! Haven't had the same issue really, but I primarily track at Buttonwillow, so I can't compare notes on Laguna T11.

The gates are a lot closer together in my GT4, particularly side to side. So sometimes when getting into the Elise after a long hiatus, I have to re acclimate to how far left and right the stick must be moved. That's about the only time I've been blocked out of a gear.

I did mounts, shifter base mod, and upgraded shifter cables. Don't think I'll go for an aftermarket shifter base / assembly, but would like to try one.
04-14-2016 01:08 PM
JonOrangeElise
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Originally Posted by Vantage View Post
You might try stiffer transmission/engine mounts if you have't already, should lateral loading be the cause.
Well... Rob Deitsch just did some work on it. Motor mount inserts, along with a bunch of work on the shifter itself. The problem was upshifting from 2nd to 3rd at Turn 11 at Laguna. Before his work, I was getting "locked out" or grinding or hitting 5th by mistake every other upshift exiting that turn. After the work, I made it through four 20 minute sessions with just two misshifts. I'm still not loving Lotus's shifter, but it's better after his mods.
04-14-2016 12:51 PM
Vantage
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Originally Posted by JonOrangeElise View Post

Tranny: Disagree with Automobile. I'm now hating the Elise transmission due to misshifts on the track, and I had no problem with Afla's sequential.
You might try stiffer transmission/engine mounts if you have't already, should lateral loading be the cause.
04-14-2016 12:05 PM
Ron Avery
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Originally Posted by Nickshu View Post
Cool article, I love the alcantra parts on the interior of the Elise, those were added/not stock right? Bummer the article is unfavorable on the Elise. I like the 4C but hard to compare the technologies apples to apples as the 4C was designed much later than the Elise was with the $$$ of Fiat behind them.
Thanks. The dash and steering wheel were later upgraded with Alcantara, yes.
04-14-2016 11:48 AM
4380r The 4C sounds unbelievable, better than any Elise/Exige I've heard with any exhaust.
04-14-2016 11:23 AM
Nickshu Cool article, I love the alcantra parts on the interior of the Elise, those were added/not stock right? Bummer the article is unfavorable on the Elise. I like the 4C but hard to compare the technologies apples to apples as the 4C was designed much later than the Elise was with the $$$ of Fiat behind them.
04-14-2016 10:28 AM
e.davies1 I am curious how the 4C will hold it's value over time as well.
04-14-2016 10:26 AM
Verichai
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Originally Posted by David Craig View Post

One check list item for me is a stick shift, so I'd always favor the Elise.
Yup.
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