|Topic Review (Newest First)|
|06-21-2019 04:51 AM|
|exigegus||Welcome back Randy, hope you find something else that needs fixing so you can come up with another elegant solution!|
|06-21-2019 03:55 AM|
Sorry that I have been away, life items and the fact that I lost control of my LotusTalk account (password and changing email domains, etc.) definitely were not helping. Anyway, I'm really proud of @FistHammer and any others who have tried this. I still consider it the best option (for me) considering the list of requirements I had and that I'm pretty risk adverse when it comes to depleting the Air Conditioning in these cars. Ours works really well but I know that many don't. I didn't want to spend the rest of my life chasing issues, most of which would require another clam pull. :-)
If you have questions, feel free to PM me about this. Or, email me directly at: vendor ([email protected]) ourffr (thisiswherethedotgoes) com and I'll be happy to help.
@exigegus , I appreciate the very kind words. As I mentioned, I couldn't have done this without all the data here from the guys that worked this problem before me.
|06-11-2018 09:15 AM|
Our OP Randy reminds me of former Red Sox player Daniel Nava.
Hit the first pitch he saw in the major leagues for a grand slam.
Guess he figured he couldn't do better than his first thread, so hasn't been seen since.
I would like to note that the heat is not really a problem with the resistors we all use, as they are much better current rated than stock. They get no hotter than a heater hose I would think.
As to variable speed setups, it is tempting, but I think we had a poster note that they always lose some small percentage of full speed, and this car needs all the fan it can get.
|06-11-2018 08:44 AM|
Want to say Thanks to Randy for the awesome write up. I would have never guessed I could get to this wire like this But I did!
If you picture the fanbox like a clock, the wires you need are at 7 and you should be going in between 10 and 11.
I used the endoscope to see the 2 wires, pulled the ground back and wiggled the power wire off the resistor pack, wow what a surgery, Expert level only!
My connector was ok, and my wire was very short, barley makes it out of the hole with the connector still on, not sure how you were able to have enough to splice. Either way I can just put a male connector in there and begin my wiring upgrade process now.
I modified the needle nose a bit
|04-23-2018 07:10 PM|
Great post that adds to the quality of info available here. I was the one that originated the hole method in the front firewall. Both methods work well, just depends on your comfort level.
Couple of points;
a) An electronic variable speed controller can be installed in the single high speed wire to produce infinitely adjustable speed control.
b) The original resistor pack, generates considerable heat and was located in the air flow of the blower to keep it cool. The replacement, located adjacent to the fuse box, is not being cooled.
That being said, again I say, a great tutorial.
|04-07-2018 04:45 PM|
|addliteness||Just wondering if any other Lotustalkers have attempted this fix.|
|02-20-2017 10:50 AM|
|Doge||One heck of a first post|
|02-19-2017 03:48 PM|
Thanks for the correction! I fixed the picture in the original post to say .05 now. :beer:
|02-19-2017 07:13 AM|
Post removed as OP fixed a small error.
Great work @Randy J
|02-19-2017 06:20 AM|
Randy, thanks for the insights and excellent write up. It is great to have a less intrusive option than cutting a hole or tearing everything down.
I have the three Mouser resistors as well as the upgraded and redesigned OEM heater fan resistor pack (BWR) in my parts closet. I was thinking of tossing the Mouser resistors but will hang onto to them now!
|02-19-2017 06:10 AM|
I like it
I don't know if everyone has the patience for this method, but it seems pretty good to me
I do not regret the things I learned from tearing into my AC system:
but had your write up been done then I may not have bothered.
Pretty awesome first post
|02-19-2017 04:42 AM|
Fix your HVAC Blower without cutting the firewall and no heater / HVAC removal DIY
tldr: You can remove the clam and splice the blower wire from the front without the need to remove anything mechanical / Heater / HVAC or cut the square hole in the firewall. diy
With this method, you don't need to worry about removing and adding coolant and burping the system or discharging and recharging the Air Conditioning system and the assorted issues with putting a new dryer in and possibly (probably) introducing leaks with the AC that you may never solve.
My situation and thought process:
Last fall, my wife, Julie, brought the Lotus home from somewhere and said that the blower motor wasn't working. I knew about the issue and how much work it was so I was bummed. This Winter (actually just now), I decided to tackle this project and read everything I could find on the matter. I came across the posts where some had cut the floor in front of the pedals which was a great solution if you didn't want to pull the clam. I floated this by Julie and the response I got was 'You're not cutting a hole in my car!'. I resigned to the fact that I was going to have to do it the hard way which included: removing the clam, removing depleting the coolant, removing the heater core, depleting the refrigerant, removing the dryer, and pulling (with much teeth clenching and curse words) the assembly just to get to the one wire I needed. Then, extend the wire and put it all back together.
We all know that with the 'cut the hole technique', you:
With this, you have high speed only (really all you need in my opinion). Benefits of this is that you don't have to pull the clam but you do have to pull at least one seat and then work deep in the footwell while cutting with a death-wheel and then reach another five or so inches further to make the connection.
With no other items that you wanted to replace if you pulled the clam and without a wife that was strongly against cutting holes in the car, this solution works. I didn't have that option so I removed the clam to survey.
What I found, was that there was a thick foam ring between the blower motor and the firewall on the front side of the car. I knew that's where the wire was that I needed so I cut out a 'window' in that foam on the top so that I could see and feel down inside with my hands. There's not much room and I couldn't get my fingers down inside past my second knuckles so my hands were useless. Further, I couldn't see anything at all due to the angles I was looking and lack of light.
It was then that I thought, if I could see down in there and grab the right wire with a pair of long nose pliers, I might be able to pull it off the resistor pack and tease it up high enough to be able to extend it with tools down inside the cavity. Thinking about this (probably too much), I formulated the following plan. It worked out with very little modification.
Here is the camera I bought and used. It worked out fine:
Open a window in the foam between the blower motor and the firewall and slightly inboard of the power brake booster. Use a Boroscope (about $30 from Amazon) <link> that plugs into a tablet or phone to find and grab the orange power wire and unplug it from the resistor pack below the blower. Cut the burned end off and butt-splice a new piece of wire on and feed that wire back up out of the window in the foam and out into the area in the front of the car. Seal the hole with new foam and create a new resistor pack using 50w solid state resistors and remote it up near the fuse box by re-purposing the blower motor wiring harness.
Notes with a step by step:
Use the Boroscope camera to survey and evaluate what 'should be' seen.
Major points: (All references are from the cockpit side as if you could see through the firewall)
Here is what I saw with the camera. The wires were right where they should have been:
Free orange wire from the resistor pack:
The first look at the connector with the Boroscope camera:
Prep the orange blower motor wire:
Prep and connection pictures:
Apply 12vdc to the new wire and observe fan operation. I easily found the plug that connected the car wire harness with harness that went down to the blower and it's very accessible. I made a jumper lead for the ground and then put a male spad terminal to put 12vdc to the new wire I just extended and plugged it in. With the key on, the blower turned on when I selected '3' on the switch. If fan doesn't operate, follow a similar process for the negative wire as well as it may be corroded.
Here is the plug you're after:
Here is what the test jumper setup looks like:
Fix incision in the foam insulation:
Glue a patch in place over the existing foam using contact cement on a piece of foam or single sided self stick foam. Seal the area well as this area is under vacuum when the blower is on. You don't want the patch to be sucked into the blower. Aluminized duct tape would be another option.
Hooking it all up:
If you want only one speed, all you need to do is grab the high speed motor wire from the connector and hook it to your new wire. I needed all three speeds so I was able to fabricate a new resistor pack thanks to the guys that posted great instructions here before. The parts cost about $20 from Mouser Electronics.
I was able to use the plug from the existing harness to make my resistors removable if needed and fabricated a plate to mount them on and wired them like below.
Here is the diagram of the new resistor pack:
In order to use this connector, you need to use the ground connector as the blower motor power. So, you need to re-purpose the ground connector for that. I cut the ground wire on both sides of the plug and spliced them together with a small piece of black wire inside of convoluted tubing. There is no connector for blower ground now but hopefully, I won't have to mess with it again. Another plus is that the connector on the switch side doesn't need to be extended, you can use it just like it is after grabbing the black wire and sending that down your new motor wire to the blower.
Here is the wiring diagram of my new resistor pack:
...and a picture of what it looks like finished:
I mounted it under the fuse box using the same screws.
Summary (thanks for making it this far):
I very much appreciate the guys that pioneered the 'cut the hole technique'. It will still be the best option for some and the descriptions and pictures posted in those threads are what allowed me to do what I did.
There is no part of this job that is hard. There are great instructions for removing the clam so don't be scared of that. The area that you're working in is confined but you'll be ok. I saved myself tons of hours and the best part was that I didn't have to deplete the coolant / refrigerant and then chase air conditioning issues afterwards.
BTW, when you're in there, drill the drain holes, install a new tig welded aluminum tank(s) radiator, and upgrade your horns. :-)
Let me know what questions you have and I will be happy to answer.