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Today 07:09 PM
ByJoveByJingle
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
Maybe so. What I do understand is guys who post the long list of cars they have owned in their signatures don't have any of it.

Many if not all of us on a Lotus forum have multiple cars and have owned multiple cars. Not all of us feel the need to post it in our signatures. Says something about class doesn't it?
I still donít think that word means what you think it means. But you own a Lotus, so you get some slack.
Today 06:56 PM
XHILR8N!
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
Maybe so. What I do understand is guys who post the long list of cars they have owned in their signatures don't have any of it.

Many if not all of us on a Lotus forum have multiple cars and have owned multiple cars. Not all of us feel the need to post it in our signatures. Says something about class doesn't it?
There is some credence to what you say. Iím on McLaren Life most days and the cars they list sometimes are hard for someone of my means to accept. Are they bragging because they change $350,000 cars every few months? I dunno, but I do read their opinions. Theyíve had experiences I have not.

I donít list every car we have or have had, but the ones that I see as relevant to the discussions I engage in. Of course the Lotus and the tow vehicles
Today 06:03 PM
Elitex
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
Maybe so. What I do understand is guys who post the long list of cars they have owned in their signatures don't have any of it.



Many if not all of us on a Lotus forum have multiple cars and have owned multiple cars. Not all of us feel the need to post it in our signatures. Says something about class doesn't it?


What are you talking about. If we can't openly talk about cars and share what we've owned on a effing car forum then what's the point? Doesn't it defeat the purpose?


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Today 05:59 PM
xxaarraa
Quote:
Originally Posted by XHILR8N! View Post
Class is the sort of thing such that if it has to be explained to someone, they can never understand it anyway.
Maybe so. What I do understand is guys who post the long list of cars they have owned in their signatures don't have any of it.

Many if not all of us on a Lotus forum have multiple cars and have owned multiple cars. Not all of us feel the need to post it in our signatures. Says something about class doesn't it?
Today 05:47 PM
XHILR8N!
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTribe View Post
If Lotus are reading this, I would buy the GT if it had the 430 front end!
Would have one in the garage right now instead of the LC 500 were it not for that unfortunate front end
Today 05:43 PM
XHILR8N! Class is the sort of thing such that if it has to be explained to someone, they can never understand it anyway.
Today 04:34 PM
xxaarraa [quote=georgiadawgs98;5973800]
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
The new day dawned in 2014 with the C7 which was an excellent car that was very well made.



Any lotus driver calling any other car as cheaply made is smoking crack. No offense, my first Evora was the biggest pile of **** in any car by any standards. American car companies cop a lot of criticism that's unwarranted.[/QUOT





No offense but If you dislike so much Lotus cars and drivers what are you doing here in this forum. Perhaps the Corvette forum is where you need to go.
I love my Evora, it's my second one. I'm just not a euro snob and definitely not a hypocrite. I appreciate all cars, and balanced in criticizing american cars, having owned nearly every major brand over the years.
Today 10:57 AM
Dylan
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTribe View Post
If Lotus are reading this, I would buy the GT if it had the 430 front end!
yes, 430 front end, and roadster in the middle
Today 10:10 AM
Butters
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTribe View Post
If Lotus are reading this, I would buy the GT if it had the 430 front end!
I'm guessing they didn't want to go through the expense of crash testing the new bumper? I would've assumed the underlying structure didn't change (mount points, crash structure) but maybe the fed just has really strict rules regarding ANY type of change when it comes to crash testing...
Today 10:08 AM
MTribe If Lotus are reading this, I would buy the GT if it had the 430 front end!
Today 09:52 AM
Butters My god, the interior on that red 400 GT is making my pants tight.

Shame we can't get the 430 front end on this car....
Today 07:54 AM
ByJoveByJingle
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
No idea what you are on about. Desirability of a car is mostly down to how unique it is and how many of that ilk you are likely to see on the road. The new Mustang outsells everything else in Germany, did you know that? That's because the Germans find that unique and different from the dime a dozen A4s and 320d's. Same reason we find Lotuses appealing here - they are rare.

People overthink "class" and "cool" and Lotus drivers should definitely STFU about build quality. lol
Desirability and class are at best vaguely related issues. Of course the Mustang is desirable. To some people. I wouldn’t be caught dead in one built after 1968. And yet you can’t spit here in a car park without hitting one. Desirable? Yes, to a large group of people. Classy? Not so much.

Rareness is a component to the Lotus appeal, no doubt. But if you can’t see the difference between the Lotus design ethos and that of Ford or Chevrolet, then I’m not sure why you would want to own a Lotus. Especially given your disdain for the build quality.

Edit: I realize a lot of Evora owners may also own American muscle. No criticism of that—horses for courses and all that. I just can’t see myself owning one. It’s the reason I can’t post in the thread about what car you’d own after the Evora. I don’t know. There just aren’t a lot of options for cars that perform the way the Evora does with the same panache and class in the same price range.
Today 07:51 AM
georgiadawgs98 [QUOTE=xxaarraa;5973692]The new day dawned in 2014 with the C7 which was an excellent car that was very well made.

Any lotus driver calling any other car as cheaply made is smoking crack. No offense, my first Evora was the biggest pile of **** in any car by any standards. American car companies cop a lot of criticism that's unwarranted.[/QUOT


No offense but If you dislike so much Lotus cars and drivers what are you doing here in this forum. Perhaps the Corvette forum is where you need to go.
Today 07:22 AM
Dylan
Top selling cars in German for 2018??????

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
No idea what you are on about. Desirability of a car is mostly down to how unique it is and how many of that ilk you are likely to see on the road. The new Mustang outsells everything else in Germany, did you know that? That's because the Germans find that unique and different from the dime a dozen A4s and 320d's. Same reason we find Lotuses appealing here - they are rare.

People overthink "class" and "cool" and Lotus drivers should definitely STFU about build quality. lol

Brand
Model
Sales in 2018
Sales in 2017
Sales in 2016
Sales in 2015
1
VW
GOLF
211,512
228,227
235,935
270,952
2
VW
TIGUAN
74,749
71,437
63,979
58,978
3
VW
POLO
70,488
61,378
72,017
69,867
4
VW
PASSAT
70,007
72,430
80,900
97,586
5
MERCEDES
C-CLASS
62,784
68,584
66,898
67,549
6
SKODA
OCTAVIA
58,444
59,147
58,683
57,907
7
AUDI
A4, S4, RS4
53,340
59,469
61,597
52,493
8
MINI
MINI
50,494
46,705
44,010
39,714
9
FORD
FOCUS
49,279
45,391
47,990
51,677
10
OPEL
CORSA
47,848
51,349
55,191
52,741
11
FORD
FIESTA
47,224
41,750
43,887
45,424
12
OPEL
ASTRA
45,932
56,327
65,173
56,079
13
AUDI
A3, S3, RS3
45,901
49,820
57,176
57,858
14
SKODA
FABIA
44,900
49,917
49,947
45,018
15
BMW
1 SERIES
44,143
45,699
46,632
46,340
16
MERCEDES
E-CLASS
43,113
47,845
37,945
30,860
17
SEAT
LEON
43,045
44,946
46,010
42,125
18
VW
TOURAN
42,623
52,182
52,560
37,098
19
BMW
5 SERIES
42,358
42,840
30,055
33,108
20
FORD
KUGA
42,276
37,962
34,676
28,529
21
MERCEDES
GLK, GLC
40,438
39,397
26,255
16,503
22
VW
TRANSPORTER
39,433
39,390
40,875
33,768
23
BMW
2 SERIES
38,189
41,144
50,680
42,916
24
AUDI
A6, S6, RS6
37,170
38,856
41,341
44,095
25
VW
UP
35,401
36,685
36,592
38,877
26
VW
T-ROC
35,299
NA
NA
NA
27
MERCEDES
A-CLASS
35,252
29,257
34,270
32,658
28
BMW
3 SERIES
34,514
38,343
43,986
44,637
29
FIAT
500
31,590
29,836
32,677
33,908
30
BMW
X1
31,521
35,016
28,400
16,406
Today 02:44 AM
xxaarraa
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByJoveByJingle View Post
That looks older than 4 decades.

I’m not crapping on the Vette. It’s a great achievement. The C7 is a far more resolved body design than the C8, which has major problems. Unfortunately with the C7, they just couldn’t leave well enough alone and had to add all the weird bits and bobs that ultimately dooms it from a class standpoint. But let’s be real . . . contemporary American car culture has a serious class deficit. Here’s the litmus test. Can you see James Bond stepping out of the car? If yes=class. If no, well . . .
No idea what you are on about. Desirability of a car is mostly down to how unique it is and how many of that ilk you are likely to see on the road. The new Mustang outsells everything else in Germany, did you know that? That's because the Germans find that unique and different from the dime a dozen A4s and 320d's. Same reason we find Lotuses appealing here - they are rare.

People overthink "class" and "cool" and Lotus drivers should definitely STFU about build quality. lol
Yesterday 10:06 PM
ByJoveByJingle That looks older than 4 decades.

Iím not crapping on the Vette. Itís a great achievement. The C7 is a far more resolved body design than the C8, which has major problems. Unfortunately with the C7, they just couldnít leave well enough alone and had to add all the weird bits and bobs that ultimately dooms it from a class standpoint. But letís be real . . . contemporary American car culture has a serious class deficit. Hereís the litmus test. Can you see James Bond stepping out of the car? If yes=class. If no, well . . .
Yesterday 09:20 PM
troyus ...and also Dusenberg's in general. You can learn about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duesenberg
Yesterday 09:18 PM
troyus
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByJoveByJingle View Post
If only they could figure out how to tap into that elusive design ethos: class. American cars just donít have it. Is there an American car that you can picture an elegant character in a movie driving? I donít know what is, but I know it when I see it. And the Corvette hasnít had it for 4 decades.
Yesterday 07:32 PM
ByJoveByJingle
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
The new day dawned in 2014 with the C7 which was an excellent car that was very well made.

Any lotus driver calling any other car as cheaply made is smoking crack. No offense, my first Evora was the biggest pile of **** in any car by any standards. American car companies cop a lot of criticism that's unwarranted.
If only they could figure out how to tap into that elusive design ethos: class. American cars just don’t have it. Is there an American car that you can picture an elegant character in a movie driving? I don’t know what it is, but I know it when I see it. And the Corvette hasn’t had it for 4 decades.
Yesterday 06:33 PM
xxaarraa
Quote:
Originally Posted by XHILR8N! View Post
These Vettes are going to be a big kick in the guts for a lot of other cars.

They will have their niggles, and they are Chevys. Cheap in many ways. But a new day has dawned in the American sports car world.

But I will not be assimilated. Resistance is not futile.
The new day dawned in 2014 with the C7 which was an excellent car that was very well made.

Any lotus driver calling any other car as cheaply made is smoking crack. No offense, my first Evora was the biggest pile of **** in any car by any standards. American car companies cop a lot of criticism that's unwarranted.
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