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07-09-2019 08:12 AM
danielhong I really appreciate your input cornbeef and everyone else

Thank you!
07-09-2019 04:36 AM
cornbeef
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Originally Posted by danielhong View Post
I've following this forum for about the past 2 years and now I am finally made a decision to purchase Evora 400. If my maximum budget is 75K to purchase the vehicle can anyone provide any advice for me?

• Should I just buy new by increasing my budget?

• Any warranty differences from buying new or used?

• Is this Evora truly reliable and cost less to maintain compared to GTR or 911 generally?

• Any specific option that I shouldn't skip?

• Is it a bad idea to purchase a manual when I don't have any experience driving a manual car? But I can ride a sport motorcycle.

• This will be my daily in Jersey City & NYC area so what do you think about getting an IPS automatic? (I am planning for track days as well)
Well since Carbuff asked for my opinion!!

That budget should get you a leftover or nearly new 400 but either will most likely not have full warranties left. It all depends on what 4xx you want. The 18s have the carbon packs that make it look like a 410 and obviously theres the GT now. The 18s are being discounted but are still above your budget - but it if you like that look then you'll have to spend more.

I'm torn on the warranty question and had a post here a week or so ago on that. After buying an Elise and an Evora new I see the value in the warranty but saying that I don't think a full 3 year is essential. A lot of the little things that were wrong on the cars were from it sitting on the lot (they were leftovers) so a used one will most likely have those issues addressed (mainly faded trim) or you can get a leftover fixed as you'll see it right away. My concern is the stuff that can break from use. I'd say after 18 months any little issues can be worked out, hence my suggestion above and the 400s are better overall than the original ones. So I wouldn't be too concerned with warranty provided there is a little left and to be fair the discount you'll get would be worth it.

My Elise had a few minor trim issues, it did show wearing on the cams so I replaced them but in 10 years of ownership all it needed was regular maintenance (consumables tires/fluids etc) and 5 years of Evora ownership has been similar. The only issues on my S were one code (sorted by an update), the ac compressor went (thankfully under warranty) and a sticky paddle shifter. Other than that it's had regular maintenance and has probably cost ~$500/yr in maintenance (not counting tires). It has been extremely reliable - the drivetrain ensures it is more reliable than the cars you mention. I've also been surprised with Lotus parts costs as they seem reasonable in general and especially for a low production car. The only real issue is if something does go wrong, labor can be the issue as components can be difficult to get to - but good mechanics will have shortcuts. It's difficult to say if an Evora overall are cheaper than a 911 or GTR but I'd say on comparable jobs the Evora probably is.

I'm not 100% up to speed on 400 options but I think the more the better. I think all the 400s have a back up camera but if not its essential.

Personally I would not get a manual if you haven't driven one before. My simple logic is that it's probably not the best car to learn on as clutch replacement is expensive on an Evora (due to the labor involved) so having the auto will eliminate that. By all means get one if you want but I would be worried about premature wear as you learn.

I haven't had my Evora on track yet so can't say how the IPS works in that scenario but I'm guessing that you might be a track novice so I don't see an auto hindering you much at least as you gain experience. I'm in the minority in these parts but I love the IPS. I bought it as I wanted a more GT car since I still had the Elise. After I sold the Elise last year (from lack of use) I really don't miss a manual. The IPS has a few quirks (it freewheels in 1st and every once in a while it can slur a change in non sport) but overall it performs exceptionally well. I rarely use it in full auto and just drive it manually but having the option to slip it into auto in traffic is nice.

I think the biggest issue why people don't like it is the fact it learns your driving style and it takes a while to adapt, therefore if you jump in a car for a brief period it refers to the last person driving which may be different to you and therefore can feel off. The 400 auto is even better and as such when I change the S for a 400 or GT it will be auto. BTW the rev match on the downshifts nearly makes it solely worthwhile over a manual especially with the 400 exhaust. The fact it'll be used in the NYC metro only makes more sense to opt for the auto.

Hope that helps.
07-08-2019 01:49 PM
danielhong
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Hey Daniel,

I would NEVER have recommended an automatic 6 months ago..but now (having bought an automatic sports car in addition to our Lotus, due to the wife's bad clutching knee), I don't think that modern automatics are that much of a disadvantage.



Ping @cornbeef , maybe you could get his impressions of the IPS.

If you happen to need someone to drive a manual Evora to your garage after purchase, I could help!
What kind of sports car did you get?
07-08-2019 08:50 AM
carbuff Hey Daniel,

I would NEVER have recommended an automatic 6 months ago..but now (having bought an automatic sports car in addition to our Lotus, due to the wife's bad clutching knee), I don't think that modern automatics are that much of a disadvantage.



Ping @cornbeef , maybe you could get his impressions of the IPS.

If you happen to need someone to drive a manual Evora to your garage after purchase, I could help!
07-08-2019 07:00 AM
danielhong Thank you all for a quick response. I have a very secure indoor garage ready in Jersey City. To be honest I was leaning towards automatic because I don't have any confidence driving exotic manual yet.

Do you think learning shifting manual from driver instructor for a few hours will be sufficient for me to drive Evora 400 back from the dealership? (My garage entrance has uphill with the curve)
07-08-2019 06:44 AM
lotusquacious If the 400 and 4xx series make it to collectible status, and if the past is anything to go by, manuals will be the cars selling for a premium. The question I'd ask is what will give you more pleasure and allow me to drive the car with more joy. Buy the one that fulfills that mission since Lotus is all about driving pleasure. That's something only you can know.

Most of the '17s are equipped about the same: forged ten spoke wheels (not negotiable but almost always found on US cars), Alpine with sub, (do you care about the sub since it's technically optional?), leather or Alcantara (I prefer leather, again a matter of indifference unless you have a preference), cruise (I wanted that), PPF (optional but frequently included...adds about 1K to price), and after that, just pick your color (and/or black pack) There is very little else to add.

The advice given by ShadowWulf is pretty much the same as mine.

I'd have no problem buying a "demo" or "used car" with a few miles on it if the price was right and the warranty still active. These cars are tough enough to stand up under typical hard use on the road but as the Wulf says, parts support is probably the most negative aspect of ownership. You are buying a hand made, limited production product from what is still a minuscule factory and while the Evora is more than up to daily use, it is still an exotic car with all the baggage attendant to that.
07-08-2019 05:37 AM
ShadowWulf369 You’ll need to check the fine print on the policy, but I’ve seen quite a few used Evoras talk about how much warranty is left and it always seems to go for the full three years after the initial purchase date. In other words, it seems as though they’re fully transferable.

The main reason to buy new in my mind is you then know how every mile on the car got there. You know that someone didn’t buy it and do burnouts for 2,000 miles and then trade it in for the next toy. If you’re okay with knowing the previous owner probably had fun in the car, used can save quite a bit of money, especially if the car wasn’t used hard or abused during prior ownership.

I can’t say ownership is more or less than any other sports car, but it’s more than a standard car and the thing you need to know off the bat is that waiting for parts is probably where Lotus differs.

Reliability wise, my MY13 S1 has never left me stranded. That doesn’t mean that everyone has been so fortunate, but you’ll get that with any brand. I’m not sure I can say you won’t have any issues.

My opinion would be to skip the titanium exhaust because of the expense. Plenty of aftermarket exhausts that you can bolt on for less money. If a car already has it, then that’s just a bonus. A lot of other options are just personal taste, like alcantera versus leather.

If you plan to go to a track, buy the manual. I have an IPS car and that’s probably the biggest reason I haven’t looked into track days. The automatic in the 400 is better than the IPS from what I’ve read, but a manual would be my preference for a track. Like you, I don’t drive stick cars and I was afraid of screwing up a clutch on my first expensive car purchase. So I went IPS. If I could go back, that’d be the one thing I’d do different. Both will be fine in the end, but you’ll probably feel like you missed out if you don’t go with the manual. I’m sure it will be second nature in no time once you get used to it.

If you live near a large populated area, just be sure you have secure parking for the car. Lotus cars are very flashy and draw a lot of attention that you’ll have to get used to. This can be a negative if you worry about vandals when you’re not around. Just make sure you have a good garage you tuck the car away in at night and the lot you park in at work is fairly secure. Downtown street parking would be non-ideal!
07-08-2019 05:03 AM
danielhong
First Timer (Many Questions)

I've following this forum for about the past 2 years and now I am finally made a decision to purchase Evora 400. If my maximum budget is 75K to purchase the vehicle can anyone provide any advice for me?

• Should I just buy new by increasing my budget?

• Any warranty differences from buying new or used?

• Is this Evora truly reliable and cost less to maintain compared to GTR or 911 generally?

• Any specific option that I shouldn't skip?

• Is it a bad idea to purchase a manual when I don't have any experience driving a manual car? But I can ride a sport motorcycle.

• This will be my daily in Jersey City & NYC area so what do you think about getting an IPS automatic? (I am planning for track days as well)

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