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09-01-2019 03:41 PM
Dylan
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Originally Posted by REKIII View Post
Charging stations are where you charge up your EV when you are not at home. Tesla has a pretty good network of them. They are not for non Tesla cars. So, if you were driving your $2mill8on dollar Evija across country youd have to come up with something alternative to charge it when the batteries died in the middle of Wyoming.

Thanks. Now I see why the "crushing" comment doesn't make sense.

https://insideevs.com/news/349187/vi...ger-advantage/

"However, one of the most interesting things discussed was how rapidly Electrify America is now installing new DC fast charge sites. The first Electrify America site was commissioned on May 2nd, 2018, and a year later they had more than 150 sites open to the public. Electrify America CEO Goivanny Palazzo even explained that they have just begun to ramp up the speed of which they open new sites, and that they will have 484 sites, with more than 2,000 DC fast charger stalls completed and open to the public by the end of 2019 - only 20 months time from the opening of their very first site.
To put that into perspective, Tesla didn't open their 484th Supercharger site in North America until December 15th 2017, five years after installing their first superchargers in late 2012. To be fair, during that time Tesla was also opening Superchargers in Europe and Asia. However, even if you count worldwide Supercharger locations, Tesla didn't open their 484th location until October 5th 2015, about 33 months after their first Supercharger site. In Europe, Ionity is rolling out its version of what Electrify America is doing in the US.
According to the site supercharge.info, Tesla currently has 714 Supercharger sites in North America. In the past two years, they have opened roughly 150 Supercharger locations per year, so they certainly aren't resting on their previous accomplishments. Additionally, Tesla averages about 8 Supercharger stalls per location, while Electrify America averages only five. Electrify America did say that most of the locations were upgradable and can add more stations when the demand suggests they are needed.
If both Electrify America and Tesla maintain the same pace of DC fast charge sites, Electrify America will match Tesla's site location total in the US sometime in 2021. By that time, the number of non-Tesla DC fast charge sites will actually be much greater than Supercharger locations because Electrify America isn't the only network installing DC fast infrastructure. EVgo currently operates over 1,050 DC fast charge stations in over 700 locations, and other EV charging networks like ChargePoint and Greenlots have expanding networks, respectively. However, unlike Electrify America, many of these stations are limited to 50 kW, and most of the locations only have 1 or 2 stations, so they aren't following the same high-speed, multiple-stall blueprint that EA and Tesla are.
09-01-2019 05:11 AM
REKIII
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Originally Posted by Dylan View Post
What does this mean: "And availability of charging stations"?
Charging stations are where you charge up your EV when you are not at home. Tesla has a pretty good network of them. They are not for non Tesla cars. So, if you were driving your $2mill8on dollar Evija across country youd have to come up with something alternative to charge it when the batteries died in the middle of Wyoming.
08-31-2019 04:42 PM
Dylan What does this mean: "And availability of charging stations"?
08-31-2019 01:49 PM
lotusland2018 Hey I'm a Lotus fan too, but you asked me how I think Evija will get crushed, and I answered. And yes, of course these are all just opinions at this point, like pretty much everything in this thread.

I'm not "butthurt" about this move by Lotus, instead I am being practical. I lived through the Swizz era and have seen Lotus on life support for more than a decade now. EV technology in general offers a company like Lotus something very practical -- a powertrain that has fairly low R&D costs and the ability to provide extremely high performance. This should allow Lotus to create cars that play to their historical strengths -- handling and styling the strongest in my book -- without buying someone else's ICE or (worse) designing their own. I would have liked to have seen Lotus jump into EVs headfirst back in the days of the OG Roadster, maybe even in a deeper JV with Tesla. Unfortunately Lotus leadership at that time did not seem to exist. Catching up to Tesla in any regard will be a challenge.
08-31-2019 09:42 AM
Likuid
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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
Oh and yes the 2nd gen Roadster will crush the Lotus on price. And performance. And availability of charging stations. And range. Lotus will offer more paint colors though, so there's that.
- price
Obviously. One is an extreme limited production car, the other one will be more common and looks...well...pretty boring...

- performance
We have seen absolutely zero real world performance out of either of these cars. Stop just stating things like they are fact when you don't actually know. It amazes me how many Lotus fans have so little confidence in Lotus that they think Lotus (knowing full well the Roadster 2 exists) would make a $2m that easily gets beat by a $250k car in performance. Will it be 8x the car of the Roadster? No, but that's not how car pricing and performance work.

- And availability of charging stations, And range
I would agree with you if the Evija were a GT car, but lets be honest, almost no one buying this car cares about these things. They care about a rare 2000HP car that looks the part.

Listen, the Evija may be a huge flop. Its performance may underwhelm. I honestly have no idea, but I would never claim facts where I have none just because I am butthurt that Lotus made an electric hypercar when I wanted them to make something else. Lotus clearly stated why they are making this car, how about we see how it plays out before getting our panties in a twist over a car 99.9% of the people on this forum can't afford. A bigger question is what design and tech will trickle down from the Evija to cars more in our wheelhouse. That's what I care about the most.
08-31-2019 03:05 AM
4380r
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Originally Posted by SelinaS19 View Post
Exterior looks like a beast and the interior is so simple that it looks clean. Wonder how it feels to drive it.
So far noboby knows. Not an actual one on the road.
08-30-2019 09:47 PM
West-of-Hethel
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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
Oh and yes the 2nd gen Roadster will crush the Lotus on price. And performance. And availability of charging stations. And range. Lotus will offer more paint colors though, so there's that.
Are you really getting all worked up in an argument about whether one car that doesn't exist yet is better than another car that doesn't exist yet?

08-30-2019 07:04 PM
lotusland2018 Oh and yes the 2nd gen Roadster will crush the Lotus on price. And performance. And availability of charging stations. And range. Lotus will offer more paint colors though, so there's that.
08-30-2019 07:02 PM
lotusland2018
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Originally Posted by Likuid View Post
Alrighty...
This already happened. It was called the Tesla Roadster.
You must not be that familiar with the original Roadster. It was great for its time, but the two things that have become standard for EVs since then were missing in the Roadster, otherwise I may have purchased one back then. First, the OG Roadster had the battery pack jammed in where the Elise motor had been located. That was great for using Lotus' existing form factor but bad for overall center of gravity. Since then it is typical for the battery to be low and long. My Model P3D has an amazing CG and balance as a result of the battery pack location and I assume the new Lotus will too. Also, back then Tesla had not really figured out how easy it was to get insane performance out of an EV. The OG Roadster, with a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds, was much faster than an Elise but still not very fast. My P3D has a 0-60 of 3.2s and it seats five people.

The OG Roadster just was not that much fun to drive IMO, not nearly as much fun as an ICE Elise, which is what I ended up buying back then. As I've said though, current Teslas, especially the P3D, are as fun as the Elise. If you have not driven one, go try it for yourself.

In any case I am happy to see Lotus try making an EV. The more brands that do this, the more the entrenched "car guys" will start to look at EVs. Porsche will convert tens of thousands of people to EVs in the next few months, maybe Lotus will do the same at some point.
08-01-2019 07:24 AM
lotusquacious For me the Evija's flaw is that it is meaningless in my automotive universe. As a statement, it's fine. As a product, it is irrelevant to me. A matter of passing interest only.
07-31-2019 02:54 PM
SelinaS19 Exterior looks like a beast and the interior is so simple that it looks clean. Wonder how it feels to drive it.
07-31-2019 01:50 PM
Likuid
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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
It handles amazingly well for a heavy car and is as much fun to drive as the Elise.
Alrighty...

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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
Lotus should be taking a similar drive train and putting it in a lighter, better-handling, better-looking chassis.
This already happened. It was called the Tesla Roadster. I am pretty sure another company tried as well called Detroit Electric and as far as I know its dead in the water.

Also, you're assuming this won't happen. Lotus explicitly said that the tech from the Evija will trickle down.

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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
They would sell tons of them and would further the brand.
No they wouldn't. There are probably tens, if not hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of people who just realized Lotus either existed or still existed when they heard about the Evija. This is the point of the Evija. To bring new brand awareness, create a flag ship car, to take what they learned from the Evija and apply that to their new line-up of cars. I really don't understand why some people don't get this. Whether it will work or not will remains to be seen, but I think you are fooling yourself to think if Lotus just released a new electric Elise-like car that it would have sold well, it most like would not. Lotus still has a lot of work to do and a big one is their dealership network. It makes way more sense to start at the top and whittle your way down than to start at the bottom and try to fight your way up.

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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
Instead they will struggle to sell this new hypercar, as the Lotus brand is simply not in the same dictionary as Lamborghini and McLaren.
And they won't get there by making an electric Elise. Its funny you mention McLaren because I don't remember McLaren starting out making a $60k budget McLaren and working their way up. They made a hypercar, and then to reinvigorate the brand they made another hypercar. Flagship cars for any company are rarely money makers they are to show off their tech and design.

The good news is that Lotus has stated they still want to make cars in their current price brackets. Whether they do or not remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
I mean even the new Tesla Roadster, at $200k, will crush this Lotus.
It will crush it how? Definitely not looks. Price? I don't think someone looking at a Evija is doing comparing shopping with the Roadster. Ones a limited production exotic hypercar, the other is not. I don't think Lotus would do all that work on the Evija knowing it would get crushed by the Roadster, sorry, that just doesn't make sense.
07-31-2019 11:47 AM
khamai We've learned that Lotus will be bringing the Evija to Monterey in 2 weeks!

First, on Friday Aug 16 at the Quail Car Show (where Lotus is a premiere sponsor) and then again on the lawn on Sunday Aug 18 at the Pebble Beach Concours.

Tickets to Quail are near impossible to get, but it's still possible to get into Pebble. Some of us "locals" with the Golden Gate Lotus Club will try to get to both events and share photos and video during the weekend.

Cheers,
Kiyoshi
07-19-2019 06:18 AM
darkSol
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Originally Posted by GuppyCaptain View Post
You lost me at Tesla Model 3 being as much fun to drive as an Elise
My M3P (performance) is an absolute blast to drive. It's completely tossable and runs 3.1 0-60's all day long. Stoplight assassin.
07-19-2019 04:06 AM
GuppyCaptain
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Originally Posted by lotusland2018 View Post
It's disappointing, if perhaps predictable, that Lotus is going in this direction. An electric drive train provides the means for supercar performance at historical Lotus pricing. I'm already driving a Tesla Model 3 that can do 0-60 in 3.3 seconds all day long. It handles amazingly well for a heavy car and is as much fun to drive as the Elise. Lotus should be taking a similar drive train and putting it in a lighter, better-handling, better-looking chassis. They would sell tons of them and would further the brand. Instead they will struggle to sell this new hypercar, as the Lotus brand is simply not in the same dictionary as Lamborghini and McLaren. Lotus is a value brand, which hypercars are, almost by definition, not. I mean even the new Tesla Roadster, at $200k, will crush this Lotus.

All that said, I'm happy to see that Lotus is realizing the ICE age is over.
You lost me at Tesla Model 3 being as much fun to drive as an Elise
07-18-2019 07:11 AM
RXEight
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Originally Posted by DamianLynch View Post
It is up to the discretion of the NHTSA whether this gets approved under that rule or not. It is not a given.
They claim it's based on technical/historical significance and low production. Much less significant and higher production cars have made the cut.
07-17-2019 04:57 PM
XHILR8N!
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Originally Posted by lt1_fd3s View Post
Shmee just posted a video on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSmaPghu2fg
Thanks for posting but Shmee is just intolerable past three seconds.

When are we going to do your toe link brace?
07-17-2019 02:26 PM
lotusland2018 It's disappointing, if perhaps predictable, that Lotus is going in this direction. An electric drive train provides the means for supercar performance at historical Lotus pricing. I'm already driving a Tesla Model 3 that can do 0-60 in 3.3 seconds all day long. It handles amazingly well for a heavy car and is as much fun to drive as the Elise. Lotus should be taking a similar drive train and putting it in a lighter, better-handling, better-looking chassis. They would sell tons of them and would further the brand. Instead they will struggle to sell this new hypercar, as the Lotus brand is simply not in the same dictionary as Lamborghini and McLaren. Lotus is a value brand, which hypercars are, almost by definition, not. I mean even the new Tesla Roadster, at $200k, will crush this Lotus.

All that said, I'm happy to see that Lotus is realizing the ICE age is over.
07-17-2019 02:26 PM
XHILR8N!
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Originally Posted by Julian73 View Post
. I though the US has finally come around to accepting side cameras, which this has.
My $22,000 Honda Civic Si has a side camera. Itís really useful , all cars should have them. Especially mid engined.
07-17-2019 01:40 PM
Scott Bowman Getting ready for my new ride...
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