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11-28-2007 11:44 PM
uclacyc
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Originally Posted by RoadDad View Post
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The Lotus that I test drove was busted in some places, but that didn't take away from the drive.
11-21-2007 04:00 AM
Bavarian Motorist Let us know what happens!!!
11-21-2007 03:48 AM
RoadDad
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Originally Posted by Phoenix SRT View Post
Demos are there to drive, all right. But, drive 'em like you would if you already owned it. In any event, like I said before, I certainly hope that every car you buy is test driven beforehand by someone you thinks just like you.
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11-20-2007 09:12 PM
KochinoPride thanks everyone! I'm thinking of either getting the demo car for about $40k, or the brand new Chrome Orange '07 Elise (MSRP $51k) hopefully for $45k... I don't know if I'm being realistic here, but I thank ALL OF YOU for your advice, it's GREATLY appreciated!!!
11-20-2007 05:44 PM
Bavarian Motorist I've downshifted into the second cam before. I don't think it was quite that drastic.
11-20-2007 05:04 PM
Vishus_1
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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist View Post
I don't think it's abuse. I think a car that's babied constantly when driven is more abused than a car that sees its peak power every now and then.

Have you done what I described I experienced earlier in this very same car? Have you just thrown your transmission into 2nd gear at speeds above 60?

I'm telling you, this car somehow handled it as the RPM's just launched up but I would never do that to my car. I think the dealer thought I was impressed but I was just shocked. I don't know what the ECU says (if it hasn't been reset yet) but that should tell the tale of some of what this car has been through.
11-20-2007 09:41 AM
RoadDad http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=10
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Originally Posted by Phoenix SRT View Post
Hey, at least the tasteless moron blacked out the headlights...no sense in actually being able to see where you're going at night. Oh, now I remember. The OEM headlights are so good that blocking 75% or so of the light isn't even noticeable.

Idiots who black out their headlights or taillights should have their driver's licenses revoked and their cars crushed. What possesses these people to so drastically reduce their ability to see and other driver's ability to see them? Oh, now I remember on that one, too...it looks cool. In a worthless teenager sort of way, anyway.
11-20-2007 09:33 AM
RoadDad
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Originally Posted by Phoenix SRT View Post
If you continue to think that demos are really just like new cars, well great! Knock yourself out. And always buy demos at prices that are little off what you can get a new, non-demo for. The dealer has to sell 'em to someone.
Someone p*ssed in your Wheaties didn't they. Don't know where you get the idea that I think a demo is "just like [a] new car.." But Lotus and the dealers can certainly, legally, sell them as "new." Enjoy your rant. Demos are there to drive. It is the dealer's responsibility to assure that the Lotus is broken in properly, etc, or not. It is not the responsibility of the test driver/customer. If you were told "you can not drive this demo car over 5000rpm, no WOT, etc." you may be less likely to purchase the vehicle as you really haven't seen it perform, etc. And like BMW said above, that's what demos are for -- potential customers and MotorTrend/TopGear/etc to drive and see what they can do. Enjoy the rest of your day.
11-20-2007 09:30 AM
Bavarian Motorist I don't think it's abuse. I think a car that's babied constantly when driven is more abused than a car that sees its peak power every now and then.
11-20-2007 09:21 AM
Bavarian Motorist Hammering on a demo is not bad, IMO. That's what it's there for. I would have never been so thrilled by the Elise had I not hammered on the demo car I tested. I remember that test drive.....it was insane!


In the case of Lotus, you gotta hammer it to know what you're actually in for, IMO.
11-20-2007 08:39 AM
ZAMMY1 my brand new elise cost me less than 40 early this year.
stickered for about 47.
walk away.
11-20-2007 05:34 AM
Bavarian Motorist Ask for 40k and make them think you are absolutely prepared to buy if they give that to you. It's helpful to actually be prepared as well.

List the reasons stated in here:

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist View Post

1 They are (probably) paying for floor planning (meaning interest to the manufacturer) on 2 a car that is probably not extremely desirable given its mileage, despite being "new". Definitely not as desirable as a barely-touched new car, yet that's the price you're being offered at $48k, IMO.

3 With the new model year rolling in, the car is going to depreciate even faster because it will be a 2 year old car. 4 They have no choice but to clear it out for new inventory anyhow.



Do not want the car more than they want to sell it to you. Be prepared to walk out on it if they say no. They might let you go or they might try to work with you.


You have to have the mindset of, "I don't REALLY want or need this car, but if you're willing to give me a really good deal..."


Anyways, hope I helped.
11-20-2007 04:21 AM
Vampyre 42K to 43K is what you should spend on that car...
11-20-2007 04:12 AM
RoadDad
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Originally Posted by Phoenix SRT View Post
You are naive. And foolish. Sure, demos come with a full new car warranty starting from the date they are purchased. I'm not so sure they come with an extra year over and above the new car warranty as you suggest, though. But, even if they do, they are still used. Frequently very, very used. Well beyond the miles on their odometers used.

Since you've read this far, you've already ready earlier posters to this thread relate their experiences with demos. And I've seen similar things. And if you go on any enthusiast discussion board, you will find idiots posting who boast of how they hammered on some poor demo car. The bottom line is that demos are all too frequently abused. Worse yet, they are abused within their break in periods.
Far from naive and foolish. Lotus still considers these cars "new," not "used." Your bank will finance them, unlike many used cars, the dealer can sell the car as "new," etc. And, yes, to clarify your ignorance on the matter, they do carry an extra 12 months of factory warranty, the only part that I am unable to recall is whether they carry an extra 10k or 12k miles with them (I believe that it is 10K). If you read my posts above, I have already pointed out the fact that demos get abused by drivers and salesfolks -- just as I and my salesman did, again before 1000 miles. Now if you are calling me one of those "idiots posting who boast of how they hammered on some poor demo car," please take your name calling back to 3rd grade.
11-19-2007 11:35 PM
Bavarian Motorist Dealers love the people who walk in, get an initial offering and pay that price



You have to understand the position of the dealer. They are (probably) paying for floor planning (meaning interest to the manufacturer) on a car that is probably not extremely desirable given its mileage, despite being "new". Definitely not as desirable as a barely-touched new car, yet that's the price you're being offered at $48k, IMO.


With the new model year rolling in, the car is going to depreciate even faster because it will be a 2 year old car. They have no choice but to clear it out for new inventory anyhow. I'm sure they would sell at minimal profit, if not at a small loss, to get rid of it.



Ask them to sell it for $40k and see what they say.
11-19-2007 11:10 PM
uclacyc
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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist View Post
You need to learn negotiating skills. Whatever the dealer offers the car to you at is usually not what you want to accept unless it's an extremely fair and honest dealer.


Those options don't even sound like they add up to $51k on an '06, especially a used one.


I say you should be buying at $42-43k max.
I got mine with ~5,200 miles for $39,200.

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...t=38926&page=5

Final car/price on page 6.

Do your research, and negotiate. The dealer and I were something around $300 off when we gave each other our prices.
11-19-2007 09:43 PM
Lotuson74-2
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Originally Posted by CleanLivin View Post
For what its worth, I bought a 2006 Demo with a little more than 3K on it less than a month ago for $42. And I'm in Southern California where these cars sell a lot easier and there's no impending winter.
I have touring package, traction control, star shield, stage II and a popular color combo (storm titanium with red seats). Still have 1yr of warranty and the dealer put on new tires, new brakes, new clutch.

So . . . take that for what its worth. I don't think your deal is bad, just maybe not a 'super' deal.

Hope that helps.
I will go with this, not a bad deal - you may be able to do a bit better, push them a little you will likely save $1500 to $2000 more.
11-19-2007 09:37 PM
Bavarian Motorist If it's 3k miles and the title's never been transferred, thhat's a LOT of beating ... Yikes!



Unless you can get a good deal on the demo, just spend a bit more and go for the CO one. It's not been used and could prove to be a much better deal in the long run
11-19-2007 07:43 PM
jlj3394 You should get that car for ~42k, IMO
11-19-2007 07:41 PM
Bavarian Motorist You need to learn negotiating skills. Whatever the dealer offers the car to you at is usually not what you want to accept unless it's an extremely fair and honest dealer.


Those options don't even sound like they add up to $51k on an '06, especially a used one.


I say you should be buying at $42-43k max.
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