+1 on employers. I'll gladly pay $10 for a head of lettuce so my kids can get an education without distraction, reduce my commute time, save a local emergency room, have SKILLED labor, etc...pla_time said:At this point, I'm not sure wading into this discussion has much merit, but it seems to me that there's been far too much emphasis on the supply side and not enough on the demand side. I'm guessing that many of the illegals wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the fact that so many employers and individuals are willing to hire them.
Let's stop turning a blind eye to the employers, and start putting big fines and jail time for the employers of illegal aliens. Without the demand, I'm guessing the supply will ease up considerably. (Just keep in mind that the price of many things [produce, meat, domestic help, yard work, etc.] is going to go up a lot in many areas.)
Here's one more relevant factoid:
From the April 5, 2005 New York Times
"About seven million illegal immigrant workers in United States are providing Social Security system with subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year through payroll taxes withheld from their wages, but they will not be eligible for public pensions in retirement; their contributions to Social Security add up to 10 percent of last year's surplus; money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all Social Security Administration's projections; many illegal workers buy fake ID packages that include Social Security card; that provides cover for their employers, who could be fined for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants under law passed in 1986; Social Security Administration receives flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect--sometimes fictitious--Social Security numbers; it stashes them in 'earnings suspense file' that has been mushrooming, now totaling $189 billion; Social Security officials suspect that large portion of suspense file corresponds to earnings of illegal immigrants; illegal immigrants see Social Security withholding taxes as price of working in US; retirement does not enter picture for them."
As far as Social Security goes... how much would we save in social services if they weren't milking the system? I don't know the total but I would assume it could make up a portion - if not all - of that deficit. If not, then that's the lump we gotta take - We've fed this monster long enough.