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The below points is why the Lotus Emira has a pricing problem. Lotus nailed the looks.
  • Add a few options your over 100k
  • New Z06 will have a lower MSRP which is a Extreme performance sports car
  • New Z51 C8 has a much lower MSRP & better performance
  • Porsche GT4 will hold its value better with better dealer network & following
  • Dealer Network (Not Good) matters many don’t want to sacrifice
  • Power Matters to most buyers of sports cars
  • Toyota Camry motor is a negative when attracting new audience. I loved mine in my Evora but I had to explain it to non Lotus enthusiast.
  • I would have launched the Emira with the AMG motor tweaked to 425ish HP. This would have helped bringing in new buyers.
I love the looks of the Emira, I think Lotus shot their self in the foot when they said that the starting price will be in the 60’s.. I am still getting one with a manual transmission.
 

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If all these people who don’t like the power or the price of the Emira, step aside and I get my car faster, I’m going to be putting another check mark in the “pros” column.
It could happen But it’s still a low production car. Lotus needs this to be a knock out and price and power helps move sports cars even if I am not one of those people.
 

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I'm #10 on a z06 deposit list. Waiting for Oct 23rd to see what the z06 comes in at on price/spec before deciding. Can't have emira and z06...unfortunately. But if it's under the 94k price of the 400hp V6FE, I might have to jump ship....I mean 9,000 rpm and 600hp flat-plane v8....I know the Emira is pretty and all, but dam.
PM me I can share a little on the Z06.
 

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Your first point is flatly false. The FE, LOADED with options, is less than 100k. Where are you getting your numbers that just a few options will put the car over 100k?

Your other points have been hashed out repeatedly. The Emira isn't an extreme performance car, it is not a high-value car, it is not made by a car company with a large dealer network, it is not the most powerful car. There are plenty of choices along those lines if your needs lay somewhere else.

Look, the reason there are so many different car models on the market is that we all want something a little different. One car may be a poor fit for one person but a perfect fit for another. It is pointless and irrational to criticize a car for not being a perfect match with your particular needs and describe it as a "problem".
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Your first point is flatly false. The FE, LOADED with options, is less than 100k. Where are you getting your numbers that just a few options will put the car over 100k?

Your other points have been hashed out repeatedly. The Emira isn't an extreme performance car, it is not a high-value car, it is not made by a car company with a large dealer network, it is not the most powerful car. There are plenty of choices along those lines if your needs lay somewhere else.

Look, the reason there are so many different car models on the market is that we all want something a little different. One car may be a poor fit for one person but a perfect fit for another. It is pointless and irrational to criticize a car for not being a perfect match with your particular needs and describe it as a "problem".
You Joined 18 days ago & your already a Lotus expert that is very interesting, how many have you owned or driven. Owning a Lotus is a different experience than reading and typing out post. If you think the Emira which I am number 1 on the largest dealers list will come without quirks your going to be very surprise.

When I had my Evora it came with many sacrifices, build quality was not up to my standards with melting dashes, Velcro holding kick plates& instrument cover plate on. In the Texas heat the glue would loosen up on the Velcro’s which caused panels to fall off. the glue they used to put the chassis together made the car smell like a glue factory, had many conversations with the Lotus engineers and they finally change the glue. On some your needed a bionic leg to push in the clutch and on a hot day the clutch peddle would go to the floor (Fluid Tube needed a shield Oops ) the AC decided when it wanted to work. Many problems And I still stayed with the brand and feel the GT was a much better sorted out car even compared to the 400. I dismantled the entire Evora & fixed many of the issues in my post and added a extreme audio system. It was fun for me but, nothing like my Audi R8, Porsches, Corvettes Z06 C7 & C8 Z51 and many other exotics I rather not mention that I have owned & worked on.

Lotus has always had a marketing problem while Porsche is on the other side of that coin. We never know to much time left but the launch edition Emira could come out similar to my Alfa 4C LE, they checked the box on all the options, no major choices. This allowed production to control complexity and production.

My C8 Z51 was nice car but definitely felt big in comparison to the Lotus. I know the Z06 will be insane and I am looking forward to 9k RPM, DCT and a price under 100k, much better than the Porsche GT3 entry pricing..

I guess welcome aboard, Lotus is quirky but I enjoy fixing things and making them better this is why I appreciate Lotus. A few of my cars the Z06 will be number 63 Lotus Emira will be 64.
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:rolleyes: So instead of admitting that you were wrong in your statement, you launch into a personal attack and then proceed to ejaculate your car collection in an online d*ck waving session. What does it matter how many days I've been on this forum? I could be riding a tricycle right now and it wouldn't change the fact that you were flatly wrong. I never claimed to be an expert on Lotus cars. I don't need to be a Lotus expert to do basic math and tell that 93,900 is less than 100,000. In fact, you are proof positive that experience with Lotus cars has no correlation with proficiency in mathematics.
Never insulted you remember your the one who attacked my post. Not wrong Emira LE with destination & taxes unless you don’t pay taxes will be over 100k. Regardless you have a little edge about you, dealt with similar on the Corvette forms. The Good news we need people on this form that ride tricycles who claim they understand what they are talking about.

D_ _k waiving huh look in the mirror like you bragging about being a manufacturer and being in the know is no different than me saying I have experienced the ownership of Lotus and that was my point. You will see what I mean when you actually buy a Emira but it will take ownership to fully understand a Lotus not just typing dopey opinions on a forum!
 

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I pointed out a factual error you made in your post. All you had to do was admit you were a little overly enthusiastic with your numbers, but instead, you start questioning my seniority on the forum and my overall experience with Lotus cars, as if that has anything to do with math. My experience with manufacturing was relayed within the context of the complexities of regulatory compliance, which is relevant. How does your experience with Lotus cars change the fact that 93,900 is less than 100,000? And now you are trying to weasel out of it by adding in taxes. Nobody adds in taxes when talking about car prices in the US because taxes are different for everyone depending on their state. How about also addressing the fact that the FE cars are loaded and comes with more than "a few" options?

You can't make a factually false post with an inflammatory tone, and then act indignant when you are challenged on the facts. If you don't like your posts being replied to in kind, then perhaps don't write posts using a tone that you wouldn't like to see direct at you.
Can you stop with the aggressiveness behavior and move on. Car has not hit the street yet & till it does we all are speculating on final numbers especially with inflation and supply shortages. Ask the 2010 early adopters of the Lotus Evora when the 2011 took a major price decrease thanks to Lotus over pricing the car. 2nd you insulted my math truly not necessary.
Let me simply explain another point. The new Z06 with a Flat P Crank NA motor that will hit 9000 RPMs will be under the 94k Emira pricing. Please explain to the members how this is not a small problem for Lotus other than GM will not be able to make enough Z06’s for those who want one.
 

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Wow the past 48hrs have produced a lot of wind and turbulence. The number folks crack me up...its not but it is......
On the one hand,, they are mbating about the C8 numbers and value but in the other hand they know in their hands is what they really want. Translate that any way you wish..........
New Blood on the forum is a good thing it’s been boring for awhile, these debates are a win in my book.
 

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I think being critical on areas that need improvement is not a bad thing, the goal is to get better. I was very critical of many bad workmanship issues with my Evora, I also pointed out many good things about the car. The C8 Z06 will be announced on the 26th of this month. I believe it comes in under the Emira MSRP LE price with a FPC NA high rev 9k RPM motor. If that is the case and you can get one with a few options it will be a bargain super car. Still wont have a manual Like the Emira.
 
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