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Brief LA Auto Show Report

By a strange quirk of fate (no planning on my part – just luck) I happened to come to LA the week of the Auto Show and was able to visit the Lotus display.

I can't add much to what others have said except for a few random observations.

o The cars were far more than I hoped for. Beautiful and extremely exotic looking. Less raw than I thought on the inside. A bit hard to get into and out of but not impossible. Much lower to the ground and slightly smaller than my Miata (From a completely different planet tho). Sweet feel to the body work and paint, not luxurious but not shabby or cheap at all. Very unique compared to an ordinary sports car ... however, feels spare and very to the point. Clean dash, great drivers view and position. I fit no problem. Tiny boot (maybe an overnight bag, carry on size... anything inside will be cooked by the engine probably.)

o The door opening button and "handle" worked fine. Typical of the overall finely thought out design. As one of the Lotus people said, tremendous thought went into what to throw away. What is there works well and in a straight forward way. Liked the shifter, good height. Easy to double clutch with the pedal setup. Easy to brace oneself into the car. Lots of the usual stuff is gone (no cup holders!). Very OK with me.

o The Lotus people in the booth were fantastic and friendly. I met the head of US sales as well as Tony Shute, the project manager for the original Elise. Extremely gracious person and an unbelievable thrill for me to meet someone so associated with the creation of these incredible cars. I’m still kind of stunned that I met people at that level in the company.

o Very proud of achieving super car performance at price point they achieved.

o 100 MPH in 3rd gear ("things will be coming at you very fast once the hot cams kick in")

o They think the US is an advance over the English model (lucky us!)

o Many people in England use them for "daily drivers".

o Production starts in May

o From the head of US sales

- He strongly suggested that I get the touring package ("a lot of things I will want"). The electric door windows are lighter than the cranked.
- Track package is really for people who will mostly tracking their cars, strong suggestion to avoid it unless I expected to spend most of my time doing that.
- No allocation scheme yet. The scheme will be simple and easy to understand.
- My #26 at Huntingridge motors in Westchester, NY should mean that I will get my car in late summer, early fall.
- He likes the yellow -- it "reeks of Lotus" I liked it too, did not care for the green so much as I thought I would, wish it were darker. The lighting at the display was terrible so the pictures are misleading. The metal flake paints are nice, subtle and not over the top. The Artic silver is pretty much the standard metal flake silver you see on a lot of cars these days (such as my MX5). The yellow and red are rich deep colors but not transluscent.
 

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All the colors looked great

BTW all the colors looked great, except maybe the purple ;)
 

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GHC said:
Brief LA Auto Show Report

o The cars were far more than I hoped for. Beautiful and extremely exotic looking. Less raw than I thought on the inside. A bit hard to get into and out of but not impossible. Much lower to the ground and slightly smaller than my Miata (From a completely different planet tho). Sweet feel to the body work and paint, not luxurious but not shabby or cheap at all. Very unique compared to an ordinary sports car ... however, feels spare and very to the point. Clean dash, great drivers view and position. I fit no problem. Tiny boot (maybe an overnight bag, carry on size... anything inside will be cooked by the engine probably.)

Thanks for the thoughts. I have been very interested in the 'liveability' of the interior -- specifically how sparse and the difficulty of ingress/egress. How tall are you? Am 6'2" and haven't had the opportunity to get in one yet....
Thanks!
 

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Height -- 5'9", 175#

I've attached a pic of myself in the BRG, zoom.

It fit me great ... no complaints ... I don't need much except tunes and the top down...
 

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Thanks for the thoughts. I have been very interested in the 'liveability' of the interior -- specifically how sparse and the difficulty of ingress/egress. How tall are you? Am 6'2" and haven't had the opportunity to get in one yet....
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I'm 6'2" 53 and about 50 lbs overweight. I had little trouble with top off. More trouble with top on, and most trouble on passenger side with top on. But, it was all liveable and will no doubt get easier with practice and weight loss.

Inside headroom was fine. I had about 4" of clearance to softop, more than I do in my Vette.


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I'm 6'2" 53 and about 50 lbs overweight. I had little trouble with top off. More trouble with top on, and most trouble on passenger side with top on. But, it was all liveable and will no doubt get easier with practice and weight loss.

Inside headroom was fine. I had about 4" of clearance to softop, more than I do in my Vette.


Steve
Thanks Steve - very helpful!
More headroom than a vette? That is a lot more head clearance than I would have expected! That would mean significantly more space than Miata or S2000 I'd guess.

How was clearance between legs and steering wheel? I assume legs have to go either side of the wheel? If so, do you think there is adequate space to shift and steer through a turn without hand, knee, shifter colliding when going into second gear?
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GHC said:
I've attached a pic of myself in the BRG, zoom.

It fit me great ... no complaints ... I don't need much except tunes and the top down...
George,
Thanks for the pic. You have a Miata as well? What did you think about internal space vs. the Miata. More or less - headroom, leg room, shoulder room?
Thanks!
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Inside room of Elise vs Miata

I have to admit my head was in the clouds (I've wanted a Lotus since the late 1960s) but what I remember was that I thought there was a tad *more* room than the Miata and I really preferred the driving position. Not sure the passenger will be as happy. Luckily my wife is 100#, 5'.

I don't think I would have any problem shifting or what not. In fact, it felt to me that I would feel very "solid" in the car, very "connected"

Glad to hear from another Miata owner. My understanding is that the Miata is a copy of the Elan so I've fancied myself an owner of a Colin Chapman design for some time ...
 

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That would mean significantly more space than Miata or S2000 I'd guess.
Absolutely. I fit in an S2 with ease (at 6'3" 190 pounds). I'm a bit lanky so my fitment issues are with head and leg room. Even with the top on I had room enough for a helmet. I really don't fit into my NA Miata at all. I've done all the tricks (cutting the seat foam) and it's just a bit too small for me.

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Absolutely. I fit in an S2 with ease (at 6'3" 190 pounds). I'm a bit lanky so my fitment issues are with head and leg room. Even with the top on I had room enough for a helmet. I really don't fit into my NA Miata at all. I've done all the tricks (cutting the seat foam) and it's just a bit too small for me.

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Excellent. That is very helpful as I am fairly close in size to you -- about 6'2.5" and 200 pounds. How difficult was it getting in and out? Did you do it with the top on?

Finally, how about leg clearance under the wheel-- when getting in and seated in driving position. Any crowding of Right leg between wheel and shifter that would making turning and going into second gear a challenge?

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headroom

While we're on this, how much headroom is lost when a hardtop is put in place? I'm about 6' 3", maybe 190 lbs, and I'm afraid that if I fit OK with the soft top on, that the hardtop will lose those extra 4" of head room.

Any of you 6' 3" types try the hardtop in place?
 

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Since i'm not among the fittest of the Elisetalk (6'5", >200lbs.) I can assure you that any around this size or shorter or slimmer, WILL fit.

With the roof fitted, it's much harder to get out than to get in though...but I believe it's a matter of flexing your joints and getting used to new ways of entering and leaving your car.

Period. :D


BR,

Theo


PS.
There's one more reason why it's hard to get out:
Who wants to? :D :D :D
 
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