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As an owner of a C5 (current generation) Corvette, I can't help but wow at the performance numbers of the 2005 C6:

• 0-60: 4.3 Sec (Base); 4.2 Sec (Z51)
• 1/4 Mile: 12.6 @ 114 mph
• Top Speed: 186
• Fuel Economy Labels Expected to Match C5 (my C5 gets 24 in town and 28-30 on highway...pretty amazing)

I'm assuming the base price of a Corvette Convertible will likely be around $55,000, putting it at least $15000 higher than an Elise...this is apples and oranges...two very different cars...mass produced versus limited, handmade (2400)...exclusivity...etc. But the numbers are truly admirable...if I could justify owning both, I probably would. I've always felt my C5 to be too big for my liking, and having not even touched an Elise in person, I hope it doesn't seem too small. Won't know for a couple more weeks, when the dealer demo's begin arriving.

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my plan is to drive the Elise for a year and a half and see how much i like it. Then if i am not 100% in love i'm going to trade it in on a C6 Z06.
 

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I'm keeping the Elise two years and plan on selling it for a C6 Z06 used. I'm not going to be able to afford new anyway, might was well get the Elise and have fun, then pick up a used Vette in two years a a decent price.

I get tired of all my cars after two years, so the Elise for now, the Vette in two years, unless Arnie or someone brings the TVR Tuscon over here. :)

The C6 is going to be a great car and one that I plan to own.
 

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Typically the vette's have allways posted impressive #'s. so its no suprise to me that the C6 is (by current terms) an awesome performer. And early word is GM has steped up its quality game, so the C6 should only have bad quality now... :)

I think anyone could own a C6 and have to make no excuses - its going to be a great car - but its not the right kind of car for me. i will still take an Elise over it, even if it will spank the Elise.

I seriously thought about a C6, until i drove my brothers C4, and i thought "this is a history i can not buy into..." what a hunk of junk. of course you can't compare a C4 and a C6 ..but then again.. they are built by the same company, and basically the same way... so, right or wrong, that impression will allways be stuck in my head

I just prefer oranges to apples i guess!
 

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fitfan said:
I seriously thought about a C6, until i drove my brothers C4, and i thought "this is a history i can not buy into..." what a hunk of junk. of course you can't compare a C4 and a C6 ..but then again.. they are built by the same company, and basically the same way... so, right or wrong, that impression will allways be stuck in my head

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I understand what you mean. I never drove a Corvette before the day my special-order C5 arrived at the dealership. I'd heard about how poor the ride quality, finish, etc. of the C4 was, and knew the C5 was a huge leap ahead in quality. My C5 has been an no compromise car...powerful, economical, reliable and very few problems. I have 50,000 miles on it and haven't spent a dime on fixing problems I could not have prevented. I know the C6 will be equal, if not better.

That being said, even though I expect the Elise to be a high level of quality, I look forward to the "unique idiosyncracies" of owning a Lotus...as long as they're not keeping me off the road!
 

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fitfan said:

I seriously thought about a C6, until i drove my brothers C4, and i thought "this is a history i can not buy into..." what a hunk of junk. of course you can't compare a C4 and a C6 ..but then again.. they are built by the same company, and basically the same way... so, right or wrong, that impression will allways be stuck in my head

I just prefer oranges to apples i guess!
I would suggest you not drive a Europa or other old Lotus then, you won't be able to buy an Elise for the same reason. My brother had a Series 2 Europa and I have had 2 C4 vettes and a C5. The C4 (1986 model) has the quality of a Maybach compared to the Europa in terms of fit, finish, reliabilty or any non-performance measure. The old VW kit cars compared favorably.

Judge both cars on what they are not from cars of the distant past. Almost all manufactures have made huge strides in terms of quality in the last 20-40 years.


There are a lot of quality performance cars out there. Several would make me happy, each for a different reason. The Elise is the one I want now.


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Getting good service was the biggest problem

I had a C4 (1986 Z51), and it's true the ride was very harsh and the controls (clutch and gearbox) were very heavy, but most of the time it was a fun and (relatively) fast car. The real problem was in finding a service location, any service location, that had any kind of competent staff and knowledgable management that would treat you with respect. That's really what put me off GM, lousy service.
 

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My first Lotus was a 74 europa, and build quality was definately not a high point but one of the most fun cars I ever owned.

I find alot of the raw character and charm of the europa and original elan are absolutely recaptured in a very modern way in the elise with far superior performance and build quality as well>

The elise is so much closer to the true original philosophy of Lotus Chris
 

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Last week while waiting at a traffic light I noticed a new C5 Vette. He was going in the opposite direction and was also stopped at the light. His car was stopped in the lane for traffic that could go only straight. To his left was a turning only lane with several cars in it. The light changes and what does this idiot do? That's right, he cuts across into the turning only lane cutting of the other car and almost causing an accident. I though to myself,” what an a$$ hole”. Then it dawned on me that perhaps this is just one of the many reasons that Vette drivers are perceived as a$$ holes.
Of course this doesn’t mean that all Vette drivers are a$$ holes, but that is the common stereotype. No offense to any nice Vette owners out there, but I don’t like the image/statement that driving a Vette implies. It’s kinda sad… You see it’s not that I care about what other people think, it’s more that that is the image I have (perhaps falsely ) of Vettes and their drivers. Wrong I know, but it’s too late, I have been contaminated. I wouldn’t buy a C5 or C6. Not even if a brand-new C6 Z01 could be had for $20k… Keep it. If I can’t get the Liz, then I will look into a Noble… 0-60 in 3.7, 0-100 in 8.8 and ¼ mile in the 11 second range.
 

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I like the vettes, they do have an undeserved image problem, but any car can have a foolish owner. the 6 spd c5 is a great car,
but the technology is relatively old, the c6 is a step in the right direction, lets see how they are when they are 3-4 years old, the C5 look good but at that point the mechanicals are not as sharp, and I think that lthe longterm build quality destinguishes a good car from a great car, plus here in south florida, they are going to sell at high markups, I heard loaded coupes high 50 and convetibles low 60s thats almost 50% more than an elise.

Plus, I alway look at it this way, in 20 years if you held the classic great sports car which one would be the one you want in your garage, a mass producted car or a hand built limited car with a pedigree.

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Just wait until next year when the C6 Z06 hits. Rumors are either 6.6 liter 500HP (old rumor) or 7.0 liter (427!) 575HP version (new rumor).

Previous rumors of a prototype "Blue Devil" version of the C6 had a 427 so maybe rumors are getting confused about the base C06. Then again, Chevy has stated they want to go Ford GT hunting......

Likely to follow in the 2nd production year is a true shitfless manual.


Should be interesting......
 

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Just FYI, the Pratt and Miller Corvette crew just returned from Le Mans after testing. The Corvettes turned laps 4 seconds faster than the closest Maranello. Corvette switched from the standard Goodyears to Michelins this year (just for the race tires). The car has picked up speed at every track since the switch. Check it out at:

www.corvetteracing.net

Corvette will be going full bore to beat Ferrari this year, after the embarassment of last year. I hope that I get to go to Le mans this year. Have traveled with the team to the last 3 Le Mans. Dave Hill, the chief designer of the C5 and C6 is always at the big races.
 

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Surprised at all the Corvette buffs on here!

I have pictured both the Elise and my C5 Corvette in the garage, side-by-side...the Elise for the short day trips, and the Corvette as the comfortable "touring car"...but in the end I don't think I can justify such decadence.

Sadly, the C5 will have to go....to help pay off the Elise....
 

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I've always been a vette fan - my first was a black 77 when I was in college.Unfortunately the underground garage I parked in flooded during a hurricane and the car was totaled:(
 

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I love stereotypes. So the ******* in corvette cut off the gay guy in the Miata. The Miata lost control and hit the lesbian in the Beetle.... :rolleyes:

Cars are different. You won't be happy with just one if it does not meet your minimum requirements in EVERY area no matter how much it appeals to you in the THE MOST IMPORTANT area. This is why the Miata is so popular. It is way fun to drive and yet has enough polish / room / amenities that it makes an acceptable daily driver.
 

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I love stereotypes. So the ******* in corvette cut off the gay guy in the Miata. The Miata lost control and hit the lesbian in the Beetle.... :rolleyes:

Wow. They're Lesbians ? I always though the chicks driving Beetles were straight. No wonder I haven't gotten laid. I'm glad to find out it's not just because I'm fat old and ugly. They just don't like men.

:)

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The Corvette will always have performance numbers that rival Ferrari, Lotus, Porsche, etc.... The reason I would never own one is that I will see close to 100 C6 Corvettes all around my town of 50K population. We have a huge GM dealership and only 45miles away another HUGE GM dealership. It's amazing... we have two Indian Gaming Casinos near by and when students from the Reservation hit 16years old, they are driving a Corvette. I know of 20 new C5/ZO6 corvettes in town that are owned by students under the age of 18 (of course most of them are from the Indian Reservation).

I guess purchasing a Ferrari, Lotus, Porsche 911, etc... means you have rarity and that is a BIG reason why true Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo/Lotus owners would never buy a Chevy even though they are the best bang for the buck.

The Elise is an anomaly in all of this with a price tag of $45K...
 

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I guess purchasing a Ferrari, Lotus, Porsche 911, etc... means you have rarity and that is a BIG reason why true Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo/Lotus owners would never buy a Chevy even though they are the best bang for the buck.
I disagree. I am certainly not buying an Elise for exclusivity or value. I just see it as the most FUN car you can hang a plate on. Heck, we were about to buy a Gallardo and opted out for the Elise and we are twice as excited about the Elise than the Lambo could have ever generated for us.

Frankly, the Lotus brand has NO value to me in a street car. If anything, it is negative due to countless generations of cars with extremely poor quality / resale value / etc. The reputation of the Toyota motor is what convinced me. That plus it looks simple enough that there is hopefully not much that will fall off...
 

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My Elise will share a garage with my Corvette. And I'm not trading up to a C6 because I have too much money invested in my C5.

That and I don't like the new headlights...
 

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ara,
How many Lotus have you owned?

Of the four I've owned the only one that wasn't that great in build quality was the europa, the 87 and 93 esprits I had were quite well built with no reliability issues. Also had an m100 that was also a great car with no probs. Lot of people don't like to say it, but one of the positives to come out of the GM ownership of Lotus was a definate improvement in build quality.

That said, the esprit like ferraris are high performance cars and do take a bit more at maintaining than a chevy or nissan. Just the way it is.

Chris
 
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