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I have been reading abot the different F/I options out there, and the term "CARB" seems to be popping up all over the place. The problem is that I haven't the slightest idea what it means, or why it's an issue/important. Could someone shed some light on this? Thank you.
 

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CARB = California Air Resources Board

They control California emissions and the smog tests that all of us in California have to go through every 2 years to license a car. No CARB certificate, you can't license the car legally in California.
 

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CARB = California Air Resources Board

They control California emissions and the smog tests that all of us in California have to go through every 2 years to license a car. No CARB certificate, you can't license the car legally in California.
Ooooooh, OK. So it's a Cali-specific thing. Gotcha. Thanks.
 

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Not necessarily. Sixteen states are working on adopting some or all of California's emissions requirements now.
Dammit! :(

Is Massachusetts one of them? Im guessing Yes. The state Gov't here are a bunch of fuddy-duddy buzzkills.
 

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California Air Resource Board....the socialist organization that doesn't make sense in the state of california. If a product is not CARB certified, then it is not legal to have on a car driven on the public roads. The part that is absolutely assinine is that you could have your car completely modified and have it still pass emissions levels which are within the states requirements but if they're not CARB certified then the car is still not legal to drive on public roads. Just another way for this socialist state to make money on drivers.
 

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Not necessarily. Sixteen states are working on adopting some or all of California's emissions requirements now.
Emission requirements are one thing, CARB is another beast. In Arizona, we had dyno emissions testing BEFORE california! The standards for tailpipe emissions are the same as California. We also have the visual(look for cat, evap emissions, gas cap test etc).

The DIFFERENCE in Kalifornia is with the CARB Politburo. They require that ANY change from stock MUST have a CARB EO(Exemption Order) sticker. Thus even if you just put on an intake and it has ZERO impact on emissions, you still fail because you don't have a sticker. Car could spit out springtime fresh air, it doesn't matter. They have failed dress-up hoses in Kalifornia!

Arizona and the other states require the emissions equipment to be in place and pass a smog test, that's it.
 

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yep it does matter in other states, as they often follow cali's lead.

massachusetts sucessfully sue'd the EPA to force them to regulate CO2 emissions.

new york, massachusetts, connecticut, vermont, rhode island, maine, and new jersey all have current laws.

The states that are looking to follow CARB guidelines are arizona, colorado, connecticut, maine,maryland, massachusetts, new jersey, new mexico, new york, oregon, pennsylvania, rhode island, utah, vermont, and eashington.

Florida is not a given though, they may do some more stricter rules.

the EPA also requires certain things too. CARB is going to matter more and more. The new style smog centers are going to be all computer controlled.

SEMA have some good resources on finding out what laws affect you.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60855
 

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how does an inspection worker know the difference between stock and modded engines of thousands of models? especially a low production hand built English car? heck a lotus sales guy didnt know i had a s/cer after looking at the engine for 5 mins....
 

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The usually don't and thats how people get away with it, the problem lies in the new portable sniffers and inspection systems, some of the laws and just plain old bad luck. If you get singled out for a lab test then it won't be an untrained worker doing the testing.

The ECU contains a CVN number which is calculated from the fuel maps/spark maps etc, so if you change it the smog station knows this and it can report it back to the state, the operator will also know, theres a database of CVNs that it can check against, even if your car is within limits of smog testing, if this CVN is unknown, its an automatic fail, but most places just don't care.

Its illegal to change out a working cat by EPA or CARB rules, same for headers or any part of the emisisons chain, when it comes down to EPA or CARB law the more restrictive law is the one thats used.

There are at least 5 states using CARB EO stickers, the EPA does mandate emissions too, the only difference being that with CARB the sticker should be there, with the EPA its an overall test and they find you out with a fail in the emissions testing.

2008 brought in a bunch of changes, the systems are much more sophisticated and they'll telltale on you, its connected to a computer system thats then connected to the states database.

Some laws are based on purely visual, like exhausts, they can cite you just if they think it looks modified or louder than stock. A few states have or are baning aftermarket exhausts altogether
 

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Wow, we are really starting to become a faggy country. :(

You need a sticker, the exhaust looks strange, snitch-ass computers, bureaucracy, BS, blah blah blah, etc.

I just want to have no trouble from the state, oh sorry... "Commonwealth" of Massachusetts should I decide to throw in a SC one of these days on my street-driven Elise.
 

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Luckily most common poeple think that all Exiges are supercharged. Just be sure to always use black rubber hoses and make sure your metal bits are natural color and not blue, purple, red.

Ya, as much as I truly love cars and all machines, it really is becoming a hated hobby. Eventually, you may find you get more sympathy joining NAMBLA rather then driving a car....at least the ACLU has stood up for NAMBLA.

I think they should just start "taxing" poeple by the emmisions they put out. That way most poeple in America who couldn't car less about their car will just trade up to new cars rather then pay more taxes on a dirtier car. Then the hobbiest like us that would still pay $5 a gallon for gas can just pay more for emmisions to keep our babies. Everyones happy.
 

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I live in CA. If I supercharge my 06 Exige, and years from now there is still no CARB cert available for the kit I got, can't I just sell my car out of state? I guess that would imply I would HAVE to sell my car, as it wouldn't pass SMOG....
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Here is a trick fellas, drive to a destination in California that is a little more "Lax" about smog issues. Usually these are places in the cuts, think Placerville and the likes. They are usually much less strict about emissions and will allow you to pass as long as the sniffer says its good.
 
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