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To my fellow drivers in waiting....

Today I received "the call" from Dan at Scottsdale Lotus. He informed me that my car is in Long Beach port and will be trucked down to San Diego where it will eventually be transported to Arizona. I live in San Diego so I may just sit on I-5 (I work in La Jolla) and wait to watch it come south and then back north before I fly out next week to pick it up.

I had mixed emotions after I hung up the phone with Dan. The dealership has been great for the most part. They've never been rude, or lied to me (that I know of) and have never treated me like anything less than a valued customer. The reality of the ENTIRE experience is rather unsettling however.

I placed my money down sometime ago with an approximate delivery date of about April. Those were the words from the dealership when I first went and visited and then May was considered realistic when I spoke with the team at the LA Car Show. Since then, most everything I've learned has been on forums like this. Why is it that I'm spending nearly $50K (complete out the door with tax and yada, yada, yada) on a vehicle and never really been kept in the loop of what's going on with it? Think about this for just a minute before you begin to slaughter me. My car is nearly 5 months later that "estimated." No guarantee, I understand, however, would you allow any other service provider or manufacturer that type of latitude? I work in a five diamond hospitality environment and I'll share with you that none of my customers give us that length of chain.

I looked to the forums (like this one) and attempted to better understand what others thought. Instead, the original intent of providing a forum for people to discuss the car and any item related became a bashing ground for those who decided to sell their cars. We have no relationship with the dealer or the owner yet we decide to tell (not share our opinion) those sellers that they have no right to do so. We site references like "you're not deserving" or "you simply weren't a Lotus buyer to begin with." How sad. I live in Southern California where housing prices have more than doubled in some cases in less than 5 years. We have something called Value Range which is like an auction. You give a time frame, tell potential buyers what you think the house can fetch and then you release the hounds. Do you think anyone said, "Wait a minute! I'm not going to participate in this and make an ungodly amount of money. You appear to be deserving of this home, it's yours factoring in a modest 8% growth a year." Ya think? Not on my life! And besides, the modest gains that people were hoping for, are those any different than the recent $950 "MSRP Adjustment" that has come into effect? Everyone raise their hand that has a deposit down AND received a call from someone associated with Lotus explaining this? I learned on this very forum myself.

Then, I looked for those individuals who have a passion for cars, like me, to learn about the differnces between this soon to be classic and the S2000, Boxster, etc. What did we do as a community, we once again told people that if they didn't understand the car they didn't deserve to drive it. If I had the time I would find that statement and paste it here. I'm a dad with an 04' Navigator and '04 C70 Conv. and haven't had a "toy" in sometime and was hoping to learn more from those who do. We lamb basted those people as well.

Long story long, this has been pretty unenjoyable. I will take possession of the car next week. I will drive it back and share with my family. And then I'll decide if the wait, cost and experience were/are worth with it. If not, it goes on the block because it's mine and nobody else's concern.

My goal is not to be the downer or start another bitch session. As I eluded, I have not posted often when I had concerns. Instead, I watched, learned and followed up and did not bbq anyone without having any facts.

I hope the thrill comes back when I drive it home. We'll see. The C6 is looking better and better for the price, servicing ease and financial stability of the company.

My two sense worth. Take it or leave it.


P.S. - For all of you who think you're driving purists and are attempting to regain the passion of driving cars like the MG, Triumph and Porsche Speedster, why didn't you purchase a Miata when it came out?
 

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little OT, but I wish I would have placed my deposit at Scottsdale Lotus. A buddy of mine placed his deposit at Scottsdale about a month after I placed mine at Symbolic & was in the first order group... and I'm in the fourth. DOH!

In any case, I agree that there's an awful lot of bitching on the board - it's just so easy to get upset about something and have a channel to inform others of how upset you are... It's like therapy.

I'm hoping that once a decent amount of people get their cars, the bitterness will stop, and we'll get more posts like this one.

Congrats on your car's [almost] arrival. Give us a report of your thoughts after you pick up the bugger.

... and for the record, I wasn't yet of driving age when the Miata first came out. ;)
 

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DADZTOY said:
P.S. - For all of you who think you're driving purists and are attempting to regain the passion of driving cars like the MG, Triumph and Porsche Speedster, why didn't you purchase a Miata when it came out?
It was not pure enough, the engine was in the front. :) I bought an MR2 instead. With no options. Manual windows. Best I could do.

P.S. I really don't think everyone here is that much of a single mind about anything...to be painted with such a wide brush. IMO.
 

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me too

i'm with randy,
i bought an 85 mr2 when released and then moved into a 92T when that model was released. the miata was never an option after i test drove one...
the elise is the logical next step for the mr2 owner...

mgb? triumph? speedster? those were before my time...
 

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Re: Re: Delivery Next Week, But Am I Happy?

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It was not pure enough, the engine was in the front. :) I bought an MR2 instead. With no options. Manual windows. Best I could do.
Wow, you're the only person I know outside of myself that has/had a manual windowed MKII MR2. Even my '86 had power windows. :)
 

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Dadz,
I submit after about twenty minutes behind the wheel, if yo don't forget all the delays, hassles, inconveniences........ their probably is no hope for you!;)

If you've read a lot of the posts here, just check out the responses from those who've gotten the cars, hell even those getting the opportunity to test drive them for the first time are pretty excited. I don't think I've read posts from anyone who's gotten their car was disappointed with it.

I'd left the enthusiast car area many years ago for motorcycles, which to me is still far more enjoyable than any street car is capabable of being. The elise brought me back as being so radically different from anything out there for many years.

This is an Elise forum so it shouldn't be surprising that people here are passionate about THE ELISE, which can lead to arguments, name calling, insults etc. But at the end of the day it's all about this car. You'll find the same situation on any marque specific board.

Off the soap box now.
Chris
 

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I mentioned in another post that I had ordered several other cars this way in the past, sight unseen, several years ahead of time. I always felt that so much could change while I was on the list (personal circumstances, the price of the car, the design of the car itself) that it was my prerogative to do what I wished with the cars when they came in. That included not purchasing or turning them around sooner than I normally would with a car. That said, I've never been able to resist picking up my new car that I had anticipated for years, and I've never been able to sell any of them even when being offered as much as $10K over list.

My guess is that you'll be like me, and decide after you're in the seat of the car and driving that there's no way you can give your Elise up. :) Before I drove the car, I wasn't sure there was any way I'd be able to part with my AMG. I was wrong.

P.S. And I did own a Miata. Three, in fact.
 

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I'm on my third Miata now too. Best thing for zipping in and out of Atlanta traffic.
 

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Well, I have mixed feelings about your post.

On the one hand, I don't mind healthy, respectful, debate. At its best, it sharpens and illuminates. So the fact that people express views that I disagree with, more power to them. Maybe I'll learn something.

If it weren't for this board, I probably would have thrown in the towel long ago. As a source of information, and sometimes an outlet, its been invaluable. So no complaints there .... quite the opposite. I'm really grateful to this community and the people that run it.

But I can totally relate to the bittersweet nature of your feelings. It really sucks that this could not have been a reasonably positive experience. Maybe the car will make up for most of the hassle, but this has been my introduction to Lotus as a customer (rather than a fan), and some remnant of ill feelings will not doubt endure. I can only hope it fades into memory if and when my car ever arrives.

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Actually, this board is pretty civilized. People here are passionate, and sometimes it turns into a bitch session, but for the most part, the people on this board are respectful and civilized.

I was active on spyderchat.com (for MR2 Spyder owners) for a while, and that place was like the wild west, compared to here! I really enjoyed it -- but it was a VERY different experience from this.

Hmmm...I need to get back to that board. I miss bashing newbies! ;)
 

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Well it's a toy for you as you say...so it's gotta be fun and meet your (subconscious?) needs and desires. Lotus is getting things going nicely now and the pipeline is filling...it should move better from around October onward as the 2nd shift kicks in. If the subjective driving experience of being fully in control of a very capable car appeals to you...after a few days of ownership your view may change back to the fun column. Maybe you should take another test drive?

On the topic of hospitals....they expanded one near me and it was delayed nearly a year, and must have been a hassle for many. Opening a new wing is more comparable to what Lotus is doing here than comparing the launch to an ongoing steady operation going through it's routine. Or maybe it's more like when Lexus and Infiniti started up - nah that's a smaller change to the respective companies. Or GM opening Saturn? Nah, same deal.

BTW you could always pass on the car and have them catch the next order. All they'd need to do is sell the car (early) to someone else on their list who would be delighted to get a car sooner. Then you take that person's spot, noone loses a spot or has to unknowingly wait longer. If you wait say 6 months or so perhaps things will be smoother than they are now. But the price may creep up. Then again the rumour is that in about 3-5 months some more options, colors and the like may be available.
 

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Ridgemanron said:
In the NE, Miata's are considered 'girlie cars' and not a proper mode of transportation for us 'manly men'.
In LA it's the same. Whats the most girly car ??

New Beetle
Miata
V6 Mustang

Men buy Vettes or Porsches girls buy Miata. Don't mean to insult anyone here, but if you just look through the windows at whos driving these cars in LA it's true.


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It's a sad fact that since I've got my car I've been a little less likely to post on this board. Especially since the MSRP increase. I hate to see people bashing the car and lotus and there has been a lot more of that recently.

To be clear, I think that lotus deserves the bashing, particularly on the communication issues, which should have been so easy to fix. On top of communication, hurting your most loyal fan base with the MSRP hit is definitely adding injury to insult.

I think they deserve the bashing, I just hate to see it.

I'm now a total Lotus fan. This car is wonderful. Driving has become a pleasure for me again. Like some people are into their favourite football team, I'm into Lotus. I want them to succeed in the States because I want to be able to buy these cars for years and years to come.

Once more people get the car, and the Elise Experience page becomes the most talked on page rather than the Rumors and News page, this site will be a joy again. People oganizing get togethers, cruises, soloII events.

I can't wait.

Steve
 

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Steve W said:

Once more people get the car, and the Elise Experience page becomes the most talked on page rather than the Rumors and News page, this site will be a joy again. People oganizing get togethers, cruises, soloII events.

I can't wait.

Steve
Agree totally. :clap:
 

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Running this forum, I have held a longer range view. I knew with the delays that the percentage of people upset would be more. I knew when the price increase hit, it would be worse. And I have long expected that when enough of us get cars, the focus shifts towards modifications, meets, driving events, and what-the-hell-else just went wrong with your car.
 

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... And I have long expected that when enough of us get cars, the focus shifts towards modifications, meets, driving events, and what-the-hell-else just went wrong with your car.
You took the words out of my mouth!
 

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On the get together point... what's happened to club111 and the web site at the moment?
Good question about the website. I will look into it. Heads will roll!

(my fault really... I left to pick up my car and then other stuff happened)

Impossible to get good help for free!

The club is moving along nicely. We set up a not-for-profit corporation and finished getting a real bank account yesterday. Planning is in work on some meets and the first newsletter is being composed now and will be out very shortly.

Just that damn web guy....
 
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