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Im 53 and have owned fast cars all my life(so far),but any car is fast enough to get a speeding ticket. I have been buying radar detectors since the original snooper(anyone remember that one?)and have probably owned over 50 of these things. As of today,9/7/2004,I KNOW that the Valentine is far superior to any detector out there.Please be aware that I had an auto shop that installed F/R $1500 units with internal controls(K-40) Some of my friendly local police helped me test them against a Val. mounted on the windscreen. These were not scientific tests but the difference was clear.The Val was effective at about 3 times the range,be it hills,curves or straights. It was eye-opening. The corded escort was a very distant second,and while I left that business several years ago, reliable sources have told me that the remote mount Escort is not much better.The problem with the Val is that the optimum mounting is high on the windscreen,which is,to me,inconvient at best and downright dangerous at worst(in a front or side collision) I also believe that if a police officer pulls you over and he can see a radar detecter,you have a better chance of getting a citation. I have spoken to Val and they have no intentions of making a remote mounting unit,but they have remote viewing and control modules. Some shops will try to dissamble a Val and mount the entire unit,in pieces in your rearview mirror. I called Val,they said that this would void the warrantee(no suprises there) and the unit would not work. I found a shop that will etch the veiwing unit in the face of the mirror(arrows and all),mount the control module in the dash below the light switches(looks factory)and mount the unit under the roll hoop,behind the passenger seat. They swore it would work,but I made another call to Val to check it out.They said that if either the front or rear "antennae had a line of sight,it would indeed work. The Elise seat is plastic-the Val shoots right through it and the rear presents no problems.the shop then wrapped the unit inblack leather to match the trim on the roll hoop. For me,this was a perfect solution--I will not drive a garbge truck without a Val,let alone an Elise.BTW,I do not work for Valentine. If I found a better unit I would buy it.I've gotten one speeding ticket in the last 18 years,my Valentine went off,but I had
turned off the volume,and I couldn't see the lights due to sunglare. What is YOUR license worth?:up: :up: :up: :up:
 

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Make sure that in your area you don't get the highway-hanger-oners... Here in CT if the cars behind you see a V1 display light up they start following you, using you as the rabbit. Several times I have had the detector go off, and then cars behind me suddenly become glued to my tail afterwards. I prefer the display activity to only be visible to the occupants so that I can drive in peace and privacy.
 

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Im 53 and have owned fast cars all my life(so far),but any car is fast enough to get a speeding ticket. I have been buying radar detectors since the original snooper(anyone remember that one?)and have probably owned over 50 of these things. As of today,9/7/2004,I KNOW that the Valentine is far superior to any detector out there.Please be aware that I had an auto shop that installed F/R $1500 units with internal controls(K-40) Some of my friendly local police helped me test them against a Val. mounted on the windscreen. These were not scientific tests but the difference was clear.The Val was effective at about 3 times the range,be it hills,curves or straights. It was eye-opening. The corded escort was a very distant second,and while I left that business several years ago, reliable sources have told me that the remote mount Escort is not much better.The problem with the Val is that the optimum mounting is high on the windscreen,which is,to me,inconvient at best and downright dangerous at worst(in a front or side collision) I also believe that if a police officer pulls you over and he can see a radar detecter,you have a better chance of getting a citation. I have spoken to Val and they have no intentions of making a remote mounting unit,but they have remote viewing and control modules. Some shops will try to dissamble a Val and mount the entire unit,in pieces in your rearview mirror. I called Val,they said that this would void the warrantee(no suprises there) and the unit would not work. I found a shop that will etch the veiwing unit in the face of the mirror(arrows and all),mount the control module in the dash below the light switches(looks factory)and mount the unit under the roll hoop,behind the passenger seat. They swore it would work,but I made another call to Val to check it out.They said that if either the front or rear "antennae had a line of sight,it would indeed work. The Elise seat is plastic-the Val shoots right through it and the rear presents no problems.the shop then wrapped the unit inblack leather to match the trim on the roll hoop. For me,this was a perfect solution--I will not drive a garbge truck without a Val,let alone an Elise.BTW,I do not work for Valentine. If I found a better unit I would buy it.I've gotten one speeding ticket in the last 18 years,my Valentine went off,but I had
turned off the volume,and I couldn't see the lights due to sunglare. What is YOUR license worth?:up: :up: :up: :up:
I've been seriously considering a Val 1. I have been driving for the best part of 20 years with no tickets. I know, however, that the Elise is likely to yeild me my first. I like you assume that a Val. sitting on the dash will do little to get simpathy from the police. A hidden unit is ideal. Can you pass along information on the installer?
 

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Great info - thanks for the report - I have never owned a VAL - but always had Bell or Passport but plant on a Val for my new baby.
 

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I actually ordered both, the val1 and the escort 8500 x50.

After a week of using them both I decided to send back the val1. It comes down to three things.

-the val1 is 100.00 more then the 8500
-the val one has arrows... (alot of peple die for this feature alone)
-the 8500 has auto mute (good for radar uses within the city)

The 8500 didnt ever miss a radar signal that the v1 was able to recieve. I didnt think that one radar was better then the other, just came down to preference, was a arrow worth 100.00? Not to me it isint.

Adam P

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In Virginia, radar detectors are illegal. The police have gadgets to detect them, so even if it's hidden, the police will know about it, and stop you. I had one in my first MR2, and I got stopped (tho I wasn't speeding), cause he knew it was there. I had to remove it, and go to traffic school. :(
 

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lwein said:
Im 53 and have owned fast cars all my life(so far),but any car is fast enough to get a speeding ticket. I have been buying radar detectors since the original snooper(anyone remember that one?)and have probably owned over 50 of these things. As of today,9/7/2004,I KNOW that the Valentine is far superior to any detector out there.Please be aware that I had an auto shop that installed F/R $1500 units with internal controls(K-40) Some of my friendly local police helped me test them against a Val. mounted on the windscreen. These were not scientific tests but the difference was clear.The Val was effective at about 3 times the range,be it hills,curves or straights. It was eye-opening. The corded escort was a very distant second,and while I left that business several years ago, reliable sources have told me that the remote mount Escort is not much better.The problem with the Val is that the optimum mounting is high on the windscreen,which is,to me,inconvient at best and downright dangerous at worst(in a front or side collision) I also believe that if a police officer pulls you over and he can see a radar detecter,you have a better chance of getting a citation. I have spoken to Val and they have no intentions of making a remote mounting unit,but they have remote viewing and control modules. Some shops will try to dissamble a Val and mount the entire unit,in pieces in your rearview mirror. I called Val,they said that this would void the warrantee(no suprises there) and the unit would not work. I found a shop that will etch the veiwing unit in the face of the mirror(arrows and all),mount the control module in the dash below the light switches(looks factory)and mount the unit under the roll hoop,behind the passenger seat. They swore it would work,but I made another call to Val to check it out.They said that if either the front or rear "antennae had a line of sight,it would indeed work. The Elise seat is plastic-the Val shoots right through it and the rear presents no problems.the shop then wrapped the unit inblack leather to match the trim on the roll hoop. For me,this was a perfect solution--I will not drive a garbge truck without a Val,let alone an Elise.BTW,I do not work for Valentine. If I found a better unit I would buy it.I've gotten one speeding ticket in the last 18 years,my Valentine went off,but I had
turned off the volume,and I couldn't see the lights due to sunglare. What is YOUR license worth?:up: :up: :up: :up:
Any Pictures of your V1 installed?
 

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lwein said:
Im 53 and have owned fast cars all my life(so far),but any car is fast enough to get a speeding ticket. I have been buying radar detectors since the original snooper(anyone remember that one?)and have probably owned over 50 of these things. As of today,9/7/2004,I KNOW that the Valentine is far superior to any detector out there.Please be aware that I had an auto shop that installed F/R $1500 units with internal controls(K-40) Some of my friendly local police helped me test them against a Val. mounted on the windscreen. These were not scientific tests but the difference was clear.The Val was effective at about 3 times the range,be it hills,curves or straights. It was eye-opening. The corded escort was a very distant second,and while I left that business several years ago, reliable sources have told me that the remote mount Escort is not much better.The problem with the Val is that the optimum mounting is high on the windscreen,which is,to me,inconvient at best and downright dangerous at worst(in a front or side collision) I also believe that if a police officer pulls you over and he can see a radar detecter,you have a better chance of getting a citation. I have spoken to Val and they have no intentions of making a remote mounting unit,but they have remote viewing and control modules. Some shops will try to dissamble a Val and mount the entire unit,in pieces in your rearview mirror. I called Val,they said that this would void the warrantee(no suprises there) and the unit would not work. I found a shop that will etch the veiwing unit in the face of the mirror(arrows and all),mount the control module in the dash below the light switches(looks factory)and mount the unit under the roll hoop,behind the passenger seat. They swore it would work,but I made another call to Val to check it out.They said that if either the front or rear "antennae had a line of sight,it would indeed work. The Elise seat is plastic-the Val shoots right through it and the rear presents no problems.the shop then wrapped the unit inblack leather to match the trim on the roll hoop. For me,this was a perfect solution--I will not drive a garbge truck without a Val,let alone an Elise.BTW,I do not work for Valentine. If I found a better unit I would buy it.I've gotten one speeding ticket in the last 18 years,my Valentine went off,but I had
turned off the volume,and I couldn't see the lights due to sunglare. What is YOUR license worth?:up: :up: :up: :up:
Any Pictures of your V1 installed?
 

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Stan said:
Make sure that in your area you don't get the highway-hanger-oners... Here in CT if the cars behind you see a V1 display light up they start following you, using you as the rabbit. Several times I have had the detector go off, and then cars behind me suddenly become glued to my tail afterwards. I prefer the display activity to only be visible to the occupants so that I can drive in peace and privacy.
I blacked out the bottom 3/4 of the main ahead indicator, and blacked out the rear and laterals completely for a couple of reasons.
1, tailgaters.
2, Too much of a light show.
3, The thing would pick up every reflection of a straight ahead source.

The arrows can be more trouble than they are worth, but once I masked the excess optics, I could still tell where the primary source was.

It is useless against laser, which has become VERY popular.

So be observant.

m.
 

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It is useless against laser, which has become VERY popular.
Not entirely useless, but close. I have gotten reflections on a couple occurances, where "the man" was clocking someone in front of me and it went off. Which doesn't really help since there is someone in front of you that is speeding with you. It gave me about 5-10 seconds to react, then the man clocked me twice. I was not speeding.

Most of the time though, it will only go off when it is clocking you, which is too late.
 

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radar

i bought an escort, a Val 1, and a Bel 980,
i kept them all on my dash of my vette and went early to the airport which had one of those radar signs posted,
the Bel 980 consistently chirped before the other two detectors.
plus the valentine isnt set up for laser which i have encountered twice so far.
i sent the other two back and i kept the bel 980.
 

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In the annual drive from LA to the Historics in Monterey, I have gone up in groups of cars with various detectors, incl the Escort. I have the Valentine, and I have picked up the traps FAR ahead of the Escort. While a higher mount is better, I mount mine low on the windshield, and it seems to work great.
 

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These were not scientific tests but the difference was clear.The Val was effective at about 3 times the range,be it hills,curves or straights. It was eye-opening.

The Val may be effective (not scientific) at about 3 times the range on a straight (but I have my doubts-not scientific) but hills and curves is bullshit. Radar(sound) does not penetrate hills or go around curves. If you are getting a hit in hills and curves, it is merely a reflection which is bouncing off of another hill. No detector is capable of penetrating hills and curves in detecting radar or Lazar signals.
 

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OOPS! This first part was a quote that I was responding to: "These were not scientific tests but the difference was clear.The Val was effective at about 3 times the range,be it hills,curves or straights. It was eye-opening."

The second part was my response.
 

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If you are getting a hit in hills and curves, it is merely a reflection which is bouncing off of another hill. No detector is capable of penetrating hills and curves in detecting radar or Lazar signals.
Nope. Detectors can't "see" through hills and curves. But they do "see" the bounces, and you want one to detect this very well, that way, you know what's around the curve or over the hill.

By the way, the current (and past versions) of the V1 "see" laser very well - too well sometimes as some cars LED tail/brake lights sometimes sets them off (but I hear they updated this...).
 

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Evl said:
Just to nitpick, radar is electro-magnetic radiation, which we are most familiar with as light. Sonar is the sound equivelant. Regardless, you are right: it doesn't go through hills.
Well if you really want to nitpick, lower frequency radar (VHF, i.e. 300 MHz and below), is very capable of penetrating hills - the lower the frequency the better. However, the police bands do not. :p

However, radar detectors are capable of "seeing" somewhat around curves and hills. Radar detectors are not completely passive, they emit a signal themselves (this is how VG-2 and Spectre systems detect radar detectors), and this signal mixes with the signal from a radar gun and combines to produce the signal that the radar detector actually detects. This allows the detector to see police radars around a curve (albeit not as well as straight on). In addition to this, the police radar scatters and bounces off of trees, cars, the road, etc., so radar indeed can be detected even when not in line of sight.
 
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