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I did so comparsions using Lotus USA's Euro spec and Edmunds. Here's what I found comparing the Elise to the Boxster, Miata, MR2, S2000, Z06, Honda Accord, Chevy Corvette and pick up, and Cadillac Escalade. All vehicles are 2003s.

1) HEIGHT
Elise: 45.72
MR2: 48.8
Miata: 48.4
S2000: 50.6
Boxster: 50.8
Z06: 47.7
Accord: 57.1
Chevy pickup: 74.2
Escalade: 76.5


2) LENGTH:
Elise: 151.4
MR2: 153
Miata: 155.3
S2000: 162.2
Boxster: 170.1
Z06: 179.7
Accord: 189.5
pickup: 222.1
Escalade: 198.9

3) WIDTH:
Elise: 68.76
MR2: 66.7
Miata: 66
S2000: 68.9
Boxster: 70.1
Z06: 73.6
Accord: 71.5
pickup: 78.5
Escalade: 78.9


4) CURB WEIGHT:
Elise: 1773 (Euro w/ fuel)
MR2: 2195
Miata: 2387
S2000: 2809
Boxster S: 2911
Z06: 3116
Accord: 3360
pickup: 5059
Escalade: 5641


5) WHEELBASE:
Elise: 92.04
MR2: 96.5
Miata: 89.2
S2000: 94.5
Boxster: 95.1
Z06: 104.5
Accord: 107.9
pickup: 133
Escalade: 116


So, the Elise is the lowest of the group. However, it's only about two inches shorter than the Miata, MR2, and Corvette. In comparision to truck and SUV's, it's about 2.5 feet short than the Escalade!
 

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How is vehicle's height measured? Is it:

1) Measured from the ground to the highest point on the vechicle's roof/top; or

2) Measured from the lowest part of the vehicle (not the tires) to the highest point on the roof/top? This would exclude ground clearance.

I pull out a tape measure and measured 46 inches, and it was amazingly low. I then tried 50 and 60 inches and I still thought is was unrealistically low. Maybe it was just my perspective? :confused:

In relation to the "how safe is the Elise on U.S. road", it gave me some cold feet. In Phoenix, Arizona, the average car is actually a pickup truck or SUV. This must be one of the stages of waiting, right?
 

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Allan Gibbs said:
This must be one of the stages of waiting, right?
LOL. I am sure it is.

I think the average car in all of USA is very tall. Trucks. Semis. RVs. Minivans. SUVs. More trucks. Even the new trend to crossover vehicles that are taller.

I think that anyone that drives a nimble small sportscar is aware that they need to stay alert (but funny how some can feel they don't need to be alert because they are in a big car)?. It's not too different than driving a motorcycle in that regard.

One positive is that the Elise will draw more attention. And you can easily flick the steering wheel and evade the other cars. Much more quickly than they can.
 

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One positive is that the Elise will draw more attention.
I think that's one of the things I'm....well, not really concerned about, but expecting.

The problem in being in a place were a majority of vehicles are SUV, trucks, or commuter cars under $25,000 is that the Elise will generate too much attention.

On occassion while riding motorcycles, I may get an idiot in a SUV or truck who thinks he can intimidate me because of his size. It never works once they realize who'd be liable when they rear end me!

However, I imagine that situation will be much worse with the Elise because you have a car that almost no one will be able to identify and because it's very small. But, I'll deal with it.

I'm also thinking of relocating back to Los Angeles. With a more diverse automobile population there, I think the Elise would be more in it's element. Did I mention the roads in Phoenix are extremely wide, long and straight? Hence, big car/suvs and big engines work well here. No, I'm not interested in a Corvette or Mustang, btw. :p
 

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It has been my experience that for a car enthusiast, Phoenix is difficult, because it seems to have a lot of very bad drivers... IMO.

In the case of Phoenix, bad= they clog all lanes at the same speed limit. The fast lane is not. Nobody understands a passing lane concept. And if it's a 4 lane surface street, they still tend ot use all 4 lanes, all going 35mph or whatever.
 

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A recent report stated that Phoenix has the worst red light runners in the U.S. I think it's do to the straight streets, which doesn't require a lot of attention or skill to navigate. Esentially, point and shoot/step. Yes, I imagine the 45mph city speed limit may have something to due with it as well. ;)

But, I imagine people who want to "play" will be a bigger problem. Maybe I should reconsider the Elise and get one of these instead:


"Get outta my way!!!" :D
 

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Randy Chase said:
You did see the first post in this thread right? :)
LOL! No, I didn't see that! I like the way he over takes the Carrera! :D
 

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Allan-

Is that the new Hummer? Actually, I think that the Hummer is rather neat (the original, not the new Hummer-light) because it's such a distinctive look, but I'm appalled that we have to share the road with all of these behemoths.

I bought my Miata six months after it debuted, and it attracted some attention, but usually in terms of questions or compliments in parking lots, or occasionally a thumbs up while driving. I suspect that the Lotus is going to really get lots of attention, since it is much sexier and will be much less common.
 
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