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I'm considering selling my 74 Vette. I don't really drive it all that much anymore and I'd like to get another fun car. Something that has an open top.

I'm considering either a S2000 or an Elise.

Not having driven either cars, I can imagine the obvious differences. In either case, I'm not looking for a daily driver. I have the MINI for that (and the missus has a Honda Element). I do like Honda quality and attention to detail and I like the notion of a full convertible.

But the Elise looks like a heck of a lot of fun. I noticed there are a few people here who have owned or own both and I'd love to hear your perspective on the Elise vs the S2000.

TIA,
Jim
 

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i own the S2000 now and am selling it for the Elise. I must say i am a bit nervous about making the switch because i LOVE the honda. It is by far the best car i have ever owned. The build quality is excellent. The tactile feel of the shifter, steering, and brakes is as close to perfect as i've ever felt.

We have owned many exotic cars including our current 600hp Porsche GT2. While the S2k is obviously not nearly as quick or as exotic, it is in many ways just as satisfying and fun to drive.

I am switching for the Elise because in my mind it is everything i love about the S2000 but to an even greater extent. It is the only car i can imagine liking more, so i figured i should give it a shot. If i don't feel like it's worth the extra money after a couple months of ownership, i figure i can sell it without taking much of a hit. I have driven one when the demo cars made their rounds but the short test drive didn't give me much of a feel for the car other than that it feels super exotic when you're sitting in it.

-Steve

P.S. My S2k is in the Baltimore area and a super good deal if you're interested.
 

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Steve,

I'll certainly keep your S2000 in mind. I'm trying to obtain a test drive in an Elise soon, so that will help me make up my mind.

I do have my NSX too, which is an amazing car. It's put together like a jewel. It's larger than the Elise of course, and you really need to get it on a large road course or deserted highways to fully appreciate it.

-Jim
 

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Simply put, you have to choose whether you want a car or a Lotus. S2000 is another very good roadster, a very good car indeed.
On the other side, Lotus Elise is something more than just a car. It's a "car" which comes with all the glory and aura of Lotus' R&D, history, performance, steering, braking, grip, etc...

If you have the chance to test drive them both, drive some miles, and you'll see exactly what I mean...
You can always have any S2000 type of car. But your experience with a Lotus, will be unfrogettable.

btw, my personal view of the car can be found here:

111R First Impressions
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2628

Photos
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=35113#post35113

111R First Impressions continued...
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=36962#post36962

Hope you'll enjoy it,


Theo
 

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Unless you are willing to pay a big premium for your Lotus, the choice is simple ... get on a waiting list now, buy a used S2000, and sell it next year when your Elise arrives! Best of both worlds ... I just sold my S2000 after 2 years, it was an awesome car! I'm a little concerned about the Elise, because I like Honda build quality, and I really have never been much of a fan of tempermental british cars. If my Elise ever arrives (!!!!), I hope that my fears will be put to rest. Steve
 

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I hate my S2000. I loved it for about a year, but it got old fast. You can't drive it really hard without wearing the hell out of it. I imagine the Elise won't wear as much from hard driving since it's significantly lighter. I also hate the fact that every ricer civic you pull up next to wants to race you. I hate that they think that just because you own a Honda you must be into the "import tuner scene" or like the Fast/Furious movie series. I hate that my neighbor with his $5k 1989 Cadillac DeVille looks down on it because he associates Honda with "low class" cars. I hate that my dad gives me **** about having shoveled out 33k for a Honda. I hate that I see more and more women driving them and less and less guys. I hate the rear-end design, and I can't believe they didn't fix it for the '04s!! I hate silverstone metallic. I should have gotten spa yellow, and I knew it when I bought it. I hate the thick-padded leather seats, which have shriveled up over 3 years of use, even with proper maintenance. I hate the fact that maintenance and repairs are so expensive, even though it's "only a honda." I was actually quoted $1400 for a clutch replacement by Honda Service!!! LOL!

Granted, there are a lot of things I like and love about it still, but they're wearing off quickly. I can't wait until June 16 !!!
 

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An Elise is a different experience than a S2000.

The S2000 is a typical, reliable Japanese automobile. It is fun to drive, has room in the boot for a weekend trip's luggage, is reasonably comfortable on long trips and is just "raw" enough to be fun.

The Elise is British - let's get that out of the way now. It will have little things here and there that are not quite right (look at the comments coming out about the 111R). The boot is small and it gets very hot in there. Ladies can't wear a skirt and get in or out of the car. It is a blast to drive though. The top is also not as easy as the S2000's top.

Basically, for most people they will be more happy with an S2000 to drive on the weekend and take a roadtrip in.

For those that don't care about that crap and care about driving, the Elise is the way to go.

It depends what YOU want. I, personally, don't think the new Elise is worth my 2000 S2000 plus another $25K. I could be jaded though because I have an Exige sitting next to my S2000. If I didn't have the Exige would I swap the S2000 for an Elise. The chances are better, but then again $25K is alot of cash on top of a perfectly good S2000.
 

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I love my S2K and love the community of friends I've made that also own a S. It's the best car I've ever had, and I've had a ton of cars. I was going to sell it for the Elise, but talked my wife into making it her car for awhile so we can hang onto it for a bit.

We take the S up to The Tail of the Dragon twice a year and have a blast in it. Hopefully we'll take the Elise and the S up there this fall for some fun.

I've had the car two years and have only had to do fluid changes on it.

Great car. :)
 

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I hate my S2000. I loved it for about a year, but it got old fast. You can't drive it really hard without wearing the hell out of it. I imagine the Elise won't wear as much from hard driving since it's significantly lighter. I also hate the fact that every ricer civic you pull up next to wants to race you. I hate that they think that just because you own a Honda you must be into the "import tuner scene" or like the Fast/Furious movie series. I hate that my neighbor with his $5k 1989 Cadillac DeVille looks down on it because he associates Honda with "low class" cars. I hate that my dad gives me **** about having shoveled out 33k for a Honda. I hate that I see more and more women driving them and less and less guys. I hate the rear-end design, and I can't believe they didn't fix it for the '04s!! I hate silverstone metallic. I should have gotten spa yellow, and I knew it when I bought it. I hate the thick-padded leather seats, which have shriveled up over 3 years of use, even with proper maintenance. I hate the fact that maintenance and repairs are so expensive, even though it's "only a honda." I was actually quoted $1400 for a clutch replacement by Honda Service!!! LOL!

Granted, there are a lot of things I like and love about it still, but they're wearing off quickly. I can't wait until June 16 !!!
it's funny how different two peoples' experiences can be with the same car. I have experienced almost the exact opposite of everything you said. I find that most people not in the know think it is a porsche. If anything, it's value is usually overestimated. I haven't had a single problem so i can't speak about that (i'm under warranty still anyway). I LOVE the seats, although again, i have less than 8000 miles on it so maybe they just haven't broken down yet. I love my sebring silver but even more i LOVE my red interior. I love that the top drops in 6 seconds. I love effortlessly sliding it around turns. I love flooring it to 9000rpm in second gear, having amazing fun while still staying within the speed limit. I really cannot say enough good things about the car.

The only things i wish were that it were more exotic, 850lbs lighter, and chrome orange ;)

-Steve
 

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transio said:
I can't wait until June 16 !!!
Why? Do you know something I don't?
 

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Jimbo,

Try Princeton Sports and Specialist Cars. They're close to you and have both a lotus and Honda franchise. You may even be able to set up a back to back drive when the Elise arrives there in about a month. If you need contact information, PM me.

I do nto work for the delaership nor will I profit from any deal you make. I just think this will allow you to have an oppertunity to drive both back to back and make up your own mind.
 

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I sold my S2000 for an M3. I found the S2000 too raw, impractical for a daily driver, and not exciting/raw enough for a weekend track toy.

I'm keeping the M3 and getting the Elise. Perfect combo.

Echoing some of what transio said above, the notoriety of the S2000 wore off for me after 6 mos. And, on the track, it proved a handful at the limit, in stark comparison to my M3 which can be driven all day at 10/10's with one hand out the window in a perfect 4 wheel drift at track out. ;)

I'm hoping the Elise brings with it track manners that combine the predictability of the M3 and the go-kart quickness and dynamics of the S2000.
 

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Why not?-eek-
After witnessing the maneuvers required to get in and out of the car, it appears that a woman in a short skirt would display a lot of skin getting in and out of an Elise. Not necessarily a bad thing. :clap:

Of course, a true gentleman will rush over to open the door and offer a helping hand, while enjoying the scenic view.
 

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how many miles on the vette? maybe we can work a swap as my father is a Honda dealer:D
 

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Re: June 16th - that's when my lease expires.

offroadr, I was exactly where you are now when I had 8000 miles on my S2000. That was 2.5 years ago, though. 30,000 miles later, I'm ready to move on.
 

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frayed said:

I'm keeping the M3 and getting the Elise. Perfect combo.

I'm hoping the Elise brings with it track manners that combine the predictability of the M3 and the go-kart quickness and dynamics of the S2000.
I'd lie if I'd tell you that I haven't thought of this combo. A friend of mine has an M3, and as far as I've seen the car, is just what you need to complement the Elise as the perfect car that does almost whatever you want...If not an E46 M3, then definiteyl will be waiting for having an E60 M5, which would be my best case combo scenario :D :clap:

111R is quite a different experience that any M3 or S2000. It's smaller, lighter, mid-engined, has tons of grip, acute steering, (and is almost as quick as the M3!) but on the other side has limited practicality, even though it has a boot for weekend luggage.
However, which toy is practical ? :D

My 2 cents,


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jml1952 said:
After witnessing the maneuvers required to get in and out of the car, it appears that a woman in a short skirt would display a lot of skin getting in and out of an Elise. Not necessarily a bad thing. :clap:
Once you have the car in your garage, you'll forget about these maneuvers...However your significant half will have to invent another method of getting in and out when wearing a short skirt. Longer ones won't embarras them, but shorter ones may only please the eyes across the door :)
 
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