Maybe you can try the car the way it comes from the factory first. You might like it the way it is!
Since you're interested in potential upgrades for the car- there's a guy who's first on the list at Dimmitt in Tampa who is having his dealer install a one-off turbo for the Toyota motor as soon as his car comes in. He's first in line on their list. If you're interested in info on Honda swaps, there are a couple of members of http://www.seloc.org that have done the conversion- mostly on S1's however.genieman17 said:I don't mean to say that there is something wrong with the car at all. I just merely had an idea while thinking about swaps in general for the people considering them. I guess its just my honda/ricer mentality.
From what i understand, it doesnt sit very high, and is very comparable in weight to the zz. As far as K20 vs the k24, since its the same block, i don't think it should be all that much different, in fact since the bore is wider, the block itself will probably weigh less. The gearing for the k24 is different for their 6-speed, but since the engine doesn't rev as high, it should work.tonyyoshi said:What's the weight difference? No point doing it if the engine weight is alot heavier and the centre of gravity is also higher.
I think the weight of the k-series is one of the reasons lotus went with the toyota motor. The light weight of the car allows it to corner like a housefly.. i think adding weight may prove to be more detrimental even though you may be adding power. I'd concentrate on pulling power out of the 2ZZ. There is a stroker kit available for it, brings the displacement up to 1.95L if i am not mistaken. Shouldnt change the weight to much.tonyyoshi said:What's the weight difference? No point doing it if the engine weight is alot heavier and the centre of gravity is also higher.
The weight of the k-series is like 40-60 pounds more than the 2zz. However, it sits lower and therefore lowers the center of gravity of the car. That shouldn't be a major issue with handling. Lotus didn't choose the 2zz over the K20 motor because of the weight. Lotus chose the 2zz motor because they had no other choice. Honda was not going to let them use the K20. That would be like honda giving lotus these engines to be used in cars that would directly compete with other honda cars (s2000).analogvoid said:I think the weight of the k-series is one of the reasons lotus went with the toyota motor. The light weight of the car allows it to corner like a housefly.. i think adding weight may prove to be more detrimental even though you may be adding power. I'd concentrate on pulling power out of the 2ZZ. There is a stroker kit available for it, brings the displacement up to 1.95L if i am not mistaken. Shouldnt change the weight to much.
Be very wary of buying a kit from Prototype. The kit is far from well developed going by my own and others experiences with it. The claimed power figures are dubious at best. Every single car tested in the UK has produced significantly less power than Prototype claims. We even went as far as testing on the same Dynopack machine Prototype uses in the States and had Doug Macmillan the headman at Hondata (Honda ECU tuning specialist) working on one car trying to get the claimed figures of 247hp at the hubs. The best obtained was 204hp. My car was recently at the same dyno and made 200hp consistent with what we have seen on the other UK cars.I offer a very well developed do it yourself conversion kit for the K20A that costs $7,600, and just as soon as my US legal Elise arrives next month I'll be putting a K20A into it so I'll be able to offer a DIY kit for this car as well as the previous Elise, Exige, and 340R models. There are already 3 people in line for the conversion, like me they're just waiting on Lotus.
joe, i think the european customers that you have ripped off are going to be rather interested to see you have the money to be able to buy yourself a new elise. I thought you were last telling those who had given you money in good faith that they would not get anything as you were having to sell your house?and just as soon as my US legal Elise arrives next month
You’re selling a product based on these numbers. Are you now saying we should settle for 25% less power? Despite having run my car and Paul's on the same Dynapack machine with the exact same ECU, header etc we have consistently produced 25% less power than you. As an engineer I’d like to hear a better explanation than your last one – which was something along the lines of someone must have stolen the JDM cams :clap:. Statistically the evidence all points to Shawn’s dynapack being out not Abbey’s or Emerald’s.Pretty much meaningless when you consider that I've NEVER made ANY claim other than that MY engine in MY Exige came up with those numbers on the Dynapack Shawn Church owns and Hondata uses for ECU tuning and development.
Time for a reality check the only one ranting is you. If you dealt with the facts instead of making up conspiracy theories you wouldn't be in this mess.So let them rant and rave and tell all the lies they want, I've got work to do.