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i don't know why they had to stop the development from 2008. I don't think FIA should limit manufacturers with silly rules. Major ones fine, like motor displacement and keep it NA. Those cars were so nice. Now we have the ugly cars and sounds like they'll be even uglier from next year. Seems to me teams will be spending a lot more money to redesign a new car than to just keep developing the design and new technologies.
 

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i don't know why they had to stop the development from 2008. I don't think FIA should limit manufacturers with silly rules. Major ones fine, like motor displacement and keep it NA. Those cars were so nice. Now we have the ugly cars and sounds like they'll be even uglier from next year. Seems to me teams will be spending a lot more money to redesign a new car than to just keep developing the design and new technologies.
its the results of "lessons learned" from the "era of ferrari domination" - change up the formula so that all the teams have an opportunity to start from ground zero and level the playing field.

its the same with the tires... no matter how much better one chassis is over the other... if the tires are limiting factor for on track performance, then it levels the playing field and gives the slower cars the ability to hang in there with the "handicapped" faster cars.

active aero to pass only is also in the same category... i am not fast enough to pass you, so make a rule that slows down the car in front....

i agree with you - it is "democratic dumbing down" of technology.
 

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Should be interesting! Sounds like there will be a lot less emphasis on aero. 33 secs on ERS.....wow!
 

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F1 has always done this. As soon as teams master current technologies within the limitations imposed by the rules those features are simply thrown out. This is not an exercise in technological prowess-it is severely limited. I'm sure the motivation is cost, especially these days where auto racing in general is a fragile thing. Manufacturer involvement is pretty thin in reality. We're no longer in the go-go 80's where F1 and other series like the Camel GT could spend zillions of manufacturer dollars at will. Boy, I miss those days. I agree that devices like the DRS that penalize the faster car are terrible for the sport. I feel the same way about the incredibly restrictive regs on the new power units. This gets closer to a spec series every year-the slippery slope. Pretty soon it will be an international IndyCar-hell, they're approaching their minimum weight already! It's a shame but I don't know what it would take to change the current direction. Give me 2.0m wide cars with 18 inch slicks, 1.5liter turbos(as many as you want), unlimited revs, flat bottoms, active suspension, ABS and traction control,...oh, wait, we already had those things at one time or another. Shame.
 

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all the cool kids took their toys to LeMans years ago..... F1 is losing it.
 

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Best thing FIA could do to reduce the cost of racing would be to just go away. There must be some exception but usually their new regulations require redesign and reengineering.

Can certainly understand shaking up the field from time to time. The "days of Ferrari domination" were beyond boring. The Newey-Vettle combo is sapping the excitement now. Ron Howard won't be making any movies about this era.

We all can't wait to find out what the cars are going to look like. And sound like. Will there be a new dominant team?

In ten years will the best sports cars, even sporty cars, use energy recovery tech that racing will be developing these next few seasons?

I'm optimistic that things will become very interesting on many levels.

But I'm sure glad we saw and heard a race in its current iteration at Silverstone last year. Going to be hard to best.
 

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The La Ferrari, Porsche 918, and McLaren P1 all have more power than an F1 car! I like DRS because the car behind is in dirty air, it is so difficult to pass without destroying their tires.

What is up with this fuel efficiency BS? Those cars need 1000+HP period!
 

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Not much different at LeMans. It's been the Audi show for over a decade!
Totally different... I don't mind domination. I likely one of the weird ones that find a manufacturers domination MORE interesting.

My point was the vastly more open regulation in lmp1. And the they do not try to regulate a level playing field by artificial means and the regulations enchourage innovation and unique ideas... You can run gas, turbo, supercharged, diesel, hybrid, open cockpit. Closed... Whatever you want. Only displacement is regulated. Any engine configuration. Peugeot and Audi have completely different engines v8 vs v6. Audi earned its domination by innovating very different engineering configurations. Some of that has been regulated away and "leveled" a bit over the years. But Audi first one by constructing a car with a easily swappable drive train saving up to an hour in the pits.... Then going diesel. No one else was doing that. And so on. So the engineers have a lot of freedom to take radically different approaches. F1 is virtually spec car racing with bespoke aero and chassis to a aero and chassis spec. Pretty boring... Not to mention lemans has corvette domination. Porsche domination. And so one. Privateer lmp2. All the classes make it 5 or so different races.
 

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The La Ferrari, Porsche 918, and McLaren P1 all have more power than an F1 car! I like DRS because the car behind is in dirty air, it is so difficult to pass without destroying their tires.

What is up with this fuel efficiency BS? Those cars need 1000+HP period!
Just get rid of the wings.... F1 has a long tradition of no wings ;) or even better.... Open the aero regs and let the teams decide how much wing to run and when to trim and how...
 

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Some make fun of the Lotus F1 Team with its low budget and "country" designing, funny how Ferrari, world's richest race team thinks so highly of their talent, taking head chassis designer, head of aero and top driver due to his ability to communicate car handling back to engineering.
 

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I know, it stings, but in a twisted way very complimentary of what was being done at Enstone over the last couple of years. If only Lotus/DRB Hicom had endless piles of money like Ferrari...
 

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Yes headline should be "shoestring" team puts fear into the big boys.
 

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Huh? The Benetton, Renault, enstone team has 3 world championships... They are a legit operation that recently has an owner(genii) that failed on the business plan.

Nothing "country" or "shoe string" about the team (except for recent financial woes which is likely why all the talent is leaving....)
 

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Agree the pedigree was 1st class but the past is the past. They have been on a shoe string budget for the kSr few years.
 

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The new driver lineups have certainly been quite interesting, very much so for those who follow this board.

But what about the very new nature of the cars?

Here is a soundclip:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g8jz_Dgb8D4&desktop_uri=/watch?v=g8jz_Dgb8D4

And here:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=ebpkJXJ7CFo

Currently the "nose" of the cars can be about 24" from the track. New reg is about 7". That high nose has been an identifying feature of F1 for quite a while. Now I expect they will much more resemble Indy cars :/
 

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The 100Kg (37 U.S. Gallon) limit on fuel used per race is going to be a tough one. People who are pushing hard throughout the race will likely run out of fuel. Or, you will see someone leading, who will have to let off the gas pedal to complete the race and get some points. This forces the cars to meet 5 mpg at all races except Monaco, which is only 265 km instead of the usual 305 km.
 

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So, another good reason to not race hard. Flimsy tires, little fuel. What's next, fragile brakes?

So the big question is, should we reward hard racing, or smooth conservation of resources. I guess if our goal is to be green and lead the future technologies these restrictions make sense.

But what will this do to the sport and show? Crystal ball?
 

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what "i think" they do.... is give the teams the 100kg of fuel, have 2 tires suppliers competing. spec sq' inches of aero front and rear. spec the track... and just let the teams figure out how to get around the track the fastest. but then again - i think they should bring back can am :) i really like the formula LeMans has put together. the LMP1 cars are far more interesting than F1 cars. (to me)
 
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