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I've always changed my own oil but today I dropped it off at Overseas to have the A/C system checked out. I casually asked how much it was... 230$!? :eek:

I'd heard rumors, but always assumed it was heavily exaggerated.
 

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Are you referring to a regular oil change or the 1k service?
 

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Regular service involves more than just changing the oil and filter, and that's what you're paying for most likely.
 

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Did you expect anything less? BTW what's wrong with your a/c system? Mine isn't cold and is acting up so it's going in for WARRANTY work.
 

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Did you expect anything less? BTW what's wrong with your a/c system? Mine isn't cold and is acting up so it's going in for WARRANTY work.
You'll probably get something like this on your invoice: 'Unable to duplicate; A/C cooling to specification at this time.' Ask me how I know. :rolleyes:
 

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Buy an exotic car and pay exotic prices for services... I think Porsche, BMW, Benz all charge similar prices for oil changes. I know a local Porsche dealer will pickup your car via flatbed and change your oil for you for around $300 :p
 

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They tried to charge my gf $400 for a "regular maintence B service" on her MBZ. She made them describe the service at it was included changing oil, standard inspections and greasing some joints and the sun roof. She responded, do you think Im going to pay you that much to change my oil?

Guess what Im doing this weekend...
 

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Taking mine in for its 1K service. Not to dealer I bought it from. Is that covered by Lotus, or will I be out of pocket?
 

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Buy an exotic car and pay exotic prices for services... I think Porsche, BMW, Benz all charge similar prices for oil changes. I know a local Porsche dealer will pickup your car via flatbed and change your oil for you for around $300 :p
BMW pays for them while the car is under warranty. Mercedes used to as well, but I think they stopped a couple years ago. Porsche service is ridiculous, but there are a lot of independent shops for them. The Elise drivetrain is hardly exotic and the oil change is only complicated by removing the undertray access panel. Top shelf oil and the best filter you can buy should still be less than $50.
 

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BMW pays for them while the car is under warranty. Mercedes used to as well, but I think they stopped a couple years ago. Porsche service is ridiculous, but there are a lot of independent shops for them. The Elise drivetrain is hardly exotic and the oil change is only complicated by removing the undertray access panel. Top shelf oil and the best filter you can buy should still be less than $50.
+1 Although, there are the other things that need to be inspected and tightened. But, I guess the OP was referring specifically to an oil change, so my prior comment doesn't necessarily apply in this situation.
 

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You'll probably get something like this on your invoice: 'Unable to duplicate; A/C cooling to specification at this time.' Ask me how I know. :rolleyes:
before you think "you know why" about a dealer halfway across the country from your posted location, maybe you should mention whether or not you have actually been to that dealer, specifically for an a/c complaint......

All other complainers...
$230 isnt too far out of line,this isnt jiffy lube. Chad and I dont make $7.50 an hour (although it seems like it sometimes) and we have actually been factory trained on your car, we have to buy an enourmous amount of tools out of our own pocket too... price a few quarts of any brand 5w40 synthetic, one oil filter and add $125 for the one hour labor rate and you are really only saving a few bucks on parts and the labor (which is a given since you'd probably only pay yourself with a six pack of cheap beer...) Unlike some places , Chad and I will ACTUALLY look the car over, check your toe links' torque, tire wear, look for dripping fluids, air up your tires (unless you say not to) etc, and let you know what your car needs. Some people dont like to hear it, but hey, if its broke its broke, not our fault.. No one goes to work for thier health, and that nice air-conditioned waiting room with cnn, free wi-fi and comlimentary car wash cost someone money. I bet you make some profit at your job/company, YOU can afford to drive a lotus, so your charging more than me....

I will gladly do a $35.00 oil change on your Lotus and thinks thats all it should cost... heres what you will get for $35 vs. what I posted in the $230 "oil change"...

1.I will pull the car in my bay and let it cool off until i get back from lunch at 1:30pm.. you brought it in at 7:30 am

2. After I dont let all the oil possible drain out, Im going to run the plug back in (without a new gasket) using my impact... next oil change, I will sell you a customer pay oil pan because the threads came out with the drain plug.

3. I pretend the coolant/oil/whatever dripping on me is invisible and neglect to mention it to you. Later on, I honk the horn at you as I pass while your broke down on 35 calling a tow truck and wont bother stopping to help since Im laughing so hard..

4. I pour in 4 qts, never check the stick and hope for the best, since I know thats enough to keep the oil light off...

5. Chad and I will test drive your car. At 140 mph, until its almost out of gas. We will stop to talk to some girls in a bmw that are obviously strippers, lie and tell them its our car. I will use my camera to shoot a re-enact of the last bang brothers flick I rented for the ol' lady with these fine young ladies, on the front clamshell of your car, maybe the rear clam too, if I brought my 16gb memory card. oops I didnt,I will just use the money you left in the cubby tray to buy one at wolf down the street while I am out...

6. I will run some more personal errands in your car, gas is too expensive for me to use my car on my own time. I will probably eat some fast food in there too, thank me for the extra fries later when you find them.

7. I will put some gas back in your car at the pump our dealership has. Its $5 a gallon and it will be billed to you at time of pick up.

8. I will let it run in my stall for another 30 minutes, since all the oil I spilled on the exhaust hasnt burned off yet.

9. I will take it to the wash bay (its now 5:30pm) and tell our car wash guy to use a broom in order to scrub the dirt off your car, then fart in it when he pulls it up so we can stand at the shop door and watch the look on your face when you open the door.. I have also been fairly gassy from the fast food, bon apetit!

And this is if you ONLY want an oil change while you wait for $35.... any takers? this isnt too dissimular (slightly exxagerated, but ) from what will happen if you leave your car at a quick lube joint with 19 yr old pot heads who have been changin oil/driving buick lesabres for 2 years.....

Pay overseas $230, and you will barely have time to enjoy a free drink and catch a full round of news on cnn before your car is done and ready, know that Chad or I looked it over well and let you know if it needed something and how urgent that something is. and if for some reason we saw you broke down later, we would ACTUALLY stop and help, even if your one of our "more unpleasant" customers. I have driven over an hour to customers houses, gone miles down the road to jump start someone who was at a place they shouldnt have been to keep thier wife from knowing they were there, etc, WITHOUT pay, because I give a damn about my name and reputation (Chad does too) and want you to be happy with what you paid for at overseas. You wouldnt tell your wife that you refuse to pay top $$ for good art and hang a 5ft long velvet painting of dogs cheating at poker over the fireplace(unless you have the coolest wife on earth!)...

Complain all you want about prices but consider that you are paying for a service rendered, not just parts. If you can do it yourself then go for it, but convenience costs too...

Also, do not mistake my desire to maintain a good disposition with all of you for weakness or some sort of promise to do a favor etc. I dont treat anyone better than the other etc. Ask around here and you will get mixed reviews of mine and Chads service, mostly good though. I can assure you the people who are sorely dissatisfied with Chad and I personally (not overseas, a service advisor or manager) also left Chad and I feeling the same way about them and its likely they will never be happy...You cant please everyone.
 

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before you think "you know why" about a dealer halfway across the country from your posted location, maybe you should mention whether or not you have actually been to that dealer, specifically for an a/c complaint......
I think you missed my point and I'm not sure as to why you seem to have taken it personally. My comment had nothing to do with the dealer or any dealer for that matter. It had to do with the A/C. My A/C would only blow cold for so long and despite me bringing it to the dealer multiple times for the problem, that was the response I got. IMO, it's a case of :tadts:.
 

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before you think "you know why" about a dealer halfway across the country from your posted location, maybe you should mention whether or not you have actually been to that dealer, specifically for an a/c complaint......

All other complainers...
$230 isnt too far out of line,this isnt jiffy lube. Chad and I dont make $7.50 an hour (although it seems like it sometimes) and we have actually been factory trained on your car, we have to buy an enourmous amount of tools out of our own pocket too... price a few quarts of any brand 5w40 synthetic, one oil filter and add $125 for the one hour labor rate and you are really only saving a few bucks on parts and the labor (which is a given since you'd probably only pay yourself with a six pack of cheap beer...) Unlike some places , Chad and I will ACTUALLY look the car over, check your toe links' torque, tire wear, look for dripping fluids, air up your tires (unless you say not to) etc, and let you know what your car needs. Some people dont like to hear it, but hey, if its broke its broke, not our fault.. No one goes to work for thier health, and that nice air-conditioned waiting room with cnn, free wi-fi and comlimentary car wash cost someone money. I bet you make some profit at your job/company, YOU can afford to drive a lotus, so your charging more than me....

I will gladly do a $35.00 oil change on your Lotus and thinks thats all it should cost... heres what you will get for $35 vs. what I posted in the $230 "oil change"...

1.I will pull the car in my bay and let it cool off until i get back from lunch at 1:30pm.. you brought it in at 7:30 am

2. After I dont let all the oil possible drain out, Im going to run the plug back in (without a new gasket) using my impact... next oil change, I will sell you a customer pay oil pan because the threads came out with the drain plug.

3. I pretend the coolant/oil/whatever dripping on me is invisible and neglect to mention it to you. Later on, I honk the horn at you as I pass while your broke down on 35 calling a tow truck and wont bother stopping to help since Im laughing so hard..

4. I pour in 4 qts, never check the stick and hope for the best, since I know thats enough to keep the oil light off...

5. Chad and I will test drive your car. At 140 mph, until its almost out of gas. We will stop to talk to some girls in a bmw that are obviously strippers, lie and tell them its our car. I will use my camera to shoot a re-enact of the last bang brothers flick I rented for the ol' lady with these fine young ladies, on the front clamshell of your car, maybe the rear clam too, if I brought my 16gb memory card. oops I didnt,I will just use the money you left in the cubby tray to buy one at wolf down the street while I am out...

6. I will run some more personal errands in your car, gas is too expensive for me to use my car on my own time. I will probably eat some fast food in there too, thank me for the extra fries later when you find them.

7. I will put some gas back in your car at the pump our dealership has. Its $5 a gallon and it will be billed to you at time of pick up.

8. I will let it run in my stall for another 30 minutes, since all the oil I spilled on the exhaust hasnt burned off yet.

9. I will take it to the wash bay (its now 5:30pm) and tell our car wash guy to use a broom in order to scrub the dirt off your car, then fart in it when he pulls it up so we can stand at the shop door and watch the look on your face when you open the door.. I have also been fairly gassy from the fast food, bon apetit!

And this is if you ONLY want an oil change while you wait for $35.... any takers? this isnt too dissimular (slightly exxagerated, but ) from what will happen if you leave your car at a quick lube joint with 19 yr old pot heads who have been changin oil/driving buick lesabres for 2 years.....

Pay overseas $230, and you will barely have time to enjoy a free drink and catch a full round of news on cnn before your car is done and ready, know that Chad or I looked it over well and let you know if it needed something and how urgent that something is. and if for some reason we saw you broke down later, we would ACTUALLY stop and help, even if your one of our "more unpleasant" customers. I have driven over an hour to customers houses, gone miles down the road to jump start someone who was at a place they shouldnt have been to keep thier wife from knowing they were there, etc, WITHOUT pay, because I give a damn about my name and reputation (Chad does too) and want you to be happy with what you paid for at overseas. You wouldnt tell your wife that you refuse to pay top $$ for good art and hang a 5ft long velvet painting of dogs cheating at poker over the fireplace(unless you have the coolest wife on earth!)...

Complain all you want about prices but consider that you are paying for a service rendered, not just parts. If you can do it yourself then go for it, but convenience costs too...

Also, do not mistake my desire to maintain a good disposition with all of you for weakness or some sort of promise to do a favor etc. I dont treat anyone better than the other etc. Ask around here and you will get mixed reviews of mine and Chads service, mostly good though. I can assure you the people who are sorely dissatisfied with Chad and I personally (not overseas, a service advisor or manager) also left Chad and I feeling the same way about them and its likely they will never be happy...You cant please everyone.
What if I bring my own oil and filter? Is it still $35?
 

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I will probably get yelled at for this, but mine are usually $30-32 out the door at our local Toyota place. I am lucky in that the two techs that ever do the oil changes are both Elise/Exige nuts. They even know about checking the rear links, etc. They go through the engine bay, tires, etc. just like the nice $200+ jobs, more because they love looking at how it's built than because they are paid to. One puts it "It's half the work of doing a Tundra and a lot more fun!" So far I have never had any problems out of them or the car.

If you really want to feel raped, try Lotus of Atlanta. I was quoted $650 for a basic service which was done for $220 at Dimmit in Clearwater. The Dimmitt guys even reduced the bill (from the original $255) because it didn't need some of the things the service called for.
 

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BMW pays for them while the car is under warranty. Mercedes used to as well, but I think they stopped a couple years ago. Porsche service is ridiculous, but there are a lot of independent shops for them. The Elise drivetrain is hardly exotic and the oil change is only complicated by removing the undertray access panel. Top shelf oil and the best filter you can buy should still be less than $50.
Keep in mind BMW pushed out their maintenance schedules to RIDICULOUS time frames.

All you'll get in 4yrs/50k miles is maybe 3 oil changes. Nothing else. It's solely a marketing gimmick :no: My car went 25,000 miles before it said it needed an oil change. I obviously changed it in between myself but they won't touch it if the computer doesn't say it needs to be changed. You may be able to get away with more if you track your car and they don't deny your warranty claim (brakes and rotors are included).

Ironically there is a major service at 5yrs/60k miles with a BMW... :shrug:

I think taking a Lotus into the dealership for service is a good thing if you aren't mechanically inclined. Be man (or woman) enough to admit it and you'll probably save yourself a lot of grief down the road.
 

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and there you have the reason/s why i don't want the dealer, ANY dealer working on ANY car of mine.
a decent return on the job is due the company that does work on a car but the work would have to be darn specialised for me to pay some of the prices that are quoted at dealers.
charliex comes under that heading but not the run of the mill mechanic.
also, i don't care how many snap-on tools you have in that $8000 snap-on toolbox, the simple job of changing oil is not a big deal.
a mechanic may need to be trained to jump into the engine/tranny but not to change oil.
a $10,000 problem does require a $10,000+ mechanic.
just my opinion. no slight intended. charge what the traffic will bear.
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