Exactly my point in that thread. This car was doing what, 30mph when it hit? If you look at the pic when it is being hoisted away, it looks very nasty. Now try hitting that tree with your Lotus and hit it right behind the passenger compartment so that the engine will want to sheer off from the tub.The car doesn't look like it was doing 30 when it t-boned into the tree??? - folded the car nearly in half even with some sort of roll cage inside. Even if it was a crappy roll cage it was better than nothing. How long do you think his skid marks were?
This make me wonder about the accident here in Cincinnati when Will was killed in his Elise and the car nearly broke in half from a t-bone. Some people thought he must have been doing 80 mph. If I look at the damage on this video without seeing the actual accident, I'd guess the car was doing about 70-80 mph. :shrug:
Awfully hard for me to guess how fast someone was going by looking at the car IMHO
The picture I saw shows the tree hit square on the drivers door, the tub did lose integrity and the passenger compartment was compromised (car folded in half).But second, I do think the general point in relation to the Elise accident is apt. Note that the Elise did not lose the tub's integrity, which is the point. The accident sheered off the drivetrain from the car at the rear attachment points. How much force does that take? The main point is, most people really don't get what little speed it takes to create what looks like a lot of damage. This thread is a good example of that. His sideways speed into that tree was probably lower than 30mph...but the car looks horrible. The Elise tends to shed parts and body more than most cars, and can look a lot worse.
No. Look at the photo from the other side. The car folded BEHIND the passenger compartment. The cause of death was NOT a failure (from reports I was told) of the tub nor from intrusion into the tub at all.The picture I saw shows the tree hit square on the drivers door, the tub did lose integrity and the passenger compartment was compromised (car folded in half).
You are debating a point I never made. The speed limit on that road was 35mph and it was reported that most people drove faster than that on that road. What I said was that this is sufficient speed to cause this damage. That is all. He may have been at fault going 5mph. Or not. We don't know.As I said, I wouldn't make the assumption of speed based on the damage, but you have to factor in that the car lost speed in the skid, so even if the hit was at say, 30mph, the car was traveling faster originally.
Not relevant at all.Also note the speeds at which it took to lose control in the C/D tests
Photos from the other side show some patches of snow. Which if nothing else indicates a lower temp, which can also be a causative factor. Or not.
Or a broken tie rod. Tire failure. Old heatcycled A048s. Jerked the wheel. Strongest possibilities would apply to a number of accidents, but a single accident has less meaning. Something happened. We don't know what. It could have been speeding. Or speeding could have added to it. We don't know. But then that is not the point.But yes, you are right, it could have been a number of possibilities, but the strongest possibility was speed.