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and someting about a smart airbag for the passenger? thats why new exige arent sold and pagani and koniggsegg havent sold any cars in the us yet?
if its a 2013-14 hennessey venom gt then it should follow the same rules. right?

UNLESS, he sells a used 2007 exige, then it doesnt apply. right?
 

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Look at the amazing interior on the for sale car. If that does scream 'bespoke custom ground up engineering' it don't know what does!!!

Now compare that to the Koenissegg interior developments/manufacture detailed in the drive video

And great point about airbag = production
 

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There is a TON of mystery surrounding exactly what is being done (if anything) to allow Hennessey to claim "production car" status. I personally am very skeptical and I believe if he is truly able to sell it with a new VIN or something then it is being registered more as something like a kit car. I highly doubt he actually has taken this thing through the NHTSA regulations and testing as well as EPA testing.

So reality is none of us know exactly how this thing is titled.

As aside some of the work looks pretty good (as it should be for the price tag) at least from pictures/video. Other things are missing at this price like interior work, etc. Regardless of what the VIN says this car really feels like its a very well done "tuner car" with an obscene price tag.
 

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Car is cool done get me wrong. It's nothing new a lot if people build crazy cars my issue is with the facts of being a manufacture. The cars have been sold mostly overseas and I think that has something to do with it


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The NHTSA of the US of A requires anyone who would be likely to put a "new VIN" on a vehicle to be registered as a manufacturer. Ruf is on this list along with everyone from Alfa to trailer and golf cart manufacturers, Hennessey is not. While some states have regs that define manufacturers, these are mostly geared toward rebuilders and conversion vans. Many DMVs won't care what name is on the title as long as it has a legal 17-character VIN. The car's certainly a powertrain tour de force. Sadly, though, in defeating many of the FMVSS regs to make it look like a racecar, he's made it significantly more dangerous to occupy in a crash. This is not a car that any "Dietrich" will be able to run away from.
 

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The record attempt and media hype is an insult to cars like the F40, McLaren F1, Veyron, etc. I think there should be qualifications other than production count and street legality, like maybe designing the chassis? Crazy I know. But I'm sure there's cub scouts who won their pinewood derby having started with the block that comes already shaped.

In my opinion it's essentially a rebranded hotrod with a sales technicality and a get rich(er) quick scheme. Butt you know what they say about opinions.

It doesn't hold a record according to this: List of fastest production cars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who made these people recordkeepers anyways?
 

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A question about records is "who's records book do you look at"?

Wikipedia is one answer, and Guinness is another.
It's not on either of those lists for one reason or another.
 

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Boy is there a lot of wrong information in this thread.

First of all, Hennessey does not hold a Guinness record for production car top speed. They made up their own record. If you watch their video, the record is given by Racelogic, which is just a company that makes data acquisition software.

They DO hold a Guinness record for 0-300km/h, but it is not a production car record, it is just listed as "two seat hypercar". The reason they didn't do a similar thing for top speed is that there are loads of salt flat cars in the same classes that have gone over 300MPH, which is near impossible for a road legal car, so the production car record is the one that matters.

The car is an Exige with a twin turbo GM 427 (LS) engine. YES IT IS still registered as a Lotus. There are numerous references for this all over the Internet, from magazines, to Wikipedia, to the Venom's own website where the disclaimer at the bottom states that it is based on the Exige.

Koenigsegg started out using Ford modular engines, but they are now building their own engines, although they are still loosely based on the Ford design. Not the same thing as bolting on some aftermarket parts and claiming you made it.

I personally think the Venom is pretty cool, the issue for me is that when they start lying about it and trying to claim records for which they aren't eligible, it is insulting to those who are spending the time and money to engineer true production cars.

Not sure if you guys realize this, but it is orders of magnitude more difficult and expensive to engineer a car for legal sale than it is to design one that can go 250+MPH. You have to meet crash test requirements, emissions requirements, and a whole slew of general engineering requirements like stability control and idiot light placement and headlight design and power window switch designs. You can read all about the US requirements here: Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and Regulations. In addition, to sell it worldwide, you also have to meet all the UN requirements, which area similar, but different enough that many of them require separate tests.

If Hennessey wants to claim to be in that circle, lets see their crash test results, or their EPA type certificate. Otherwise STFU and lower the price and sell the thing in the same class as the AMS alpha GTR series. It would still be cool, and they could still make money, without even acting like scam artists.
 
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