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So I have made a few changes to the car so far that have made little changes, but nothing compares to the change that I got when going from track pack shocks to Penske DA's.

Before my car would be best described as a rattly track car and I just assumed that was the only way the car could be.

After it is just so much better. It rides smoother, I dont bottom out on small bumps on the road, there is 90% less rattling (TBH some of this could be that I replaced the ball joints at the same time).

Fred isn't kidding when he says the car is way smoother with double the spring rate with these Penske shocks.

So whether you track your car or just drive it to car shows on the weekend I 100% suggest everyone upgrade their suspension to something with proper springs and valving, it is just such a world of difference that I didn't expect!
 

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So I have made a few changes to the car so far that have made little changes, but nothing compares to the change that I got when going from track pack shocks to Penske DA's.

Before my car would be best described as a rattly track car and I just assumed that was the only way the car could be.

After it is just so much better. It rides smoother, I dont bottom out on small bumps on the road, there is 90% less rattling (TBH some of this could be that I replaced the ball joints at the same time).

Fred isn't kidding when he says the car is way smoother with double the spring rate with these Penske shocks.

So whether you track your car or just drive it to car shows on the weekend I 100% suggest everyone upgrade their suspension to something with proper springs and valving, it is just such a world of difference that I didn't expect!

All of the above. Since I broke free of the Street class autocross rules, the car feels better on the road and is way more fun to drive on course. The Penske DA setup from Fred is worth the money, so don't settle for halfway stuff.
 

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After building my last Elise with near $80k invested, by far the most seen track time improvements where the adjustable shocks
(with proper 4 corner adjusted balance) and A6 Hoosiers tires. But non is any good without instructed track time.
 

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After building my last Elise with near $80k invested, by far the most seen track time improvements where the adjustable nitron shocks
(with proper 4 corner adjusted balance) and A6 Hoosiers tires. But non is any good without instructed track time.
Lets not even talk about track times here.

These things are a 100% worthy improvement even if all you do is drive back and forth to shows, I 100% promise.

Edit: I think a more accurate summary of what I am thinking is: Don't wait until you are a pro driver to get these, just the improvement in ride comfort is worth it until your driving catches up.
 

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Thanks, Guys! Yeah, I guess that doesn't come across as much as I would like. We put a ton of work into the build and setup of our Penskes to make the car easier to drive fast. HOWEVER, there are alot of side benefits. These shocks flow alot more oil in a bigger body, with a bigger shaft and piston, which yields a ton more control. Control is also equal to comfort, even with stiffer springs. I drove a car across country on Penske's with stiff springs to illustrate the point last year. http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f3/blackwatch-racing-supercharged-drive-across-country-penske-shocks-266866/

Every time someone puts them on they are just shocked(pardon the pun) at how much better the overall ride is!
 

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Way less body roll, on the track I keep thinking I am sliding because there is so little and I am backing off way too early :S
 

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So I have made a few changes to the car so far that have made little changes, but nothing compares to the change that I got when going from track pack shocks to Penske DA's.

Before my car would be best described as a rattly track car and I just assumed that was the only way the car could be.

After it is just so much better. It rides smoother, I dont bottom out on small bumps on the road, there is 90% less rattling (TBH some of this could be that I replaced the ball joints at the same time).

Fred isn't kidding when he says the car is way smoother with double the spring rate with these Penske shocks.

So whether you track your car or just drive it to car shows on the weekend I 100% suggest everyone upgrade their suspension to something with proper springs and valving, it is just such a world of difference that I didn't expect!
Is there a link to these magical shocks?
 

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Interesting. I thought my track pack shocks were pretty good already.

So I have made a few changes to the car so far that have made little changes, but nothing compares to the change that I got when going from track pack shocks to Penske DA's.

Before my car would be best described as a rattly track car and I just assumed that was the only way the car could be.

After it is just so much better. It rides smoother, I dont bottom out on small bumps on the road, there is 90% less rattling (TBH some of this could be that I replaced the ball joints at the same time).

Fred isn't kidding when he says the car is way smoother with double the spring rate with these Penske shocks.

So whether you track your car or just drive it to car shows on the weekend I 100% suggest everyone upgrade their suspension to something with proper springs and valving, it is just such a world of difference that I didn't expect!
 

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Possibly mine were a little long in the tooth, but there is no way you can match the performance of these with those spring rates. in order to not bottom out over every bump I had to run the adjustment way too high to be comfortable.

The difference is beyond night and day.
 

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Lets not even talk about track times here.

These things are a 100% worthy improvement even if all you do is drive back and forth to shows, I 100% promise.

Edit: I think a more accurate summary of what I am thinking is: Don't wait until you are a pro driver to get these, just the improvement in ride comfort is worth it until your driving catches up.
I agree. Although my autocross times did improve.
 

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All of the above. Since I broke free of the Street class autocross rules, the car feels better on the road and is way more fun to drive on course. The Penske DA setup from Fred is worth the money, so don't settle for halfway stuff.
You realize shocks are unlimited in SCCA street class so long as you stick with OEM springs . . . . I've driven an S2000 with $5,000 Ohlins and an FR-S with $3,300 Motion Controls - both cars were amazing - its hard to explain, but they instill a higher level of confidence.
 

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Can you change the shock mounts in Stock? Because you need new mounts to run basically any aftermarket spring on the lotus.
 

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Can you change the shock mounts in Stock? Because you need new mounts to run basically any aftermarket spring on the lotus.
That is not true. I have after market springs on the OEM Ohlins and I am using the stock shock mounts.

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Thanks, Guys! Yeah, I guess that doesn't come across as much as I would like. We put a ton of work into the build and setup of our Penskes to make the car easier to drive fast. HOWEVER, there are alot of side benefits. These shocks flow alot more oil in a bigger body, with a bigger shaft and piston, which yields a ton more control. Control is also equal to comfort, even with stiffer springs. I drove a car across country on Penske's with stiff springs to illustrate the point last year. http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f3/blackwatch-racing-supercharged-drive-across-country-penske-shocks-266866/

Every time someone puts them on they are just shocked(pardon the pun) at how much better the overall ride is!
How would you describe the settings on the non-adjustable shocks? Are they set up for street use? What are the spring rates that come with them compared to the DAs? Would it still have the better ride and flatter cornering compared to the LSS?
 

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To run aftermarket coilovers I meant.
Mine are aftermarket coilovers. It all comes down to free length of the spring. Since we do not have much shock travel, you do not need a very tall spring. With the shorter springs, the perches will clear the mounts.
 

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You realize shocks are unlimited in SCCA street class so long as you stick with OEM springs
Yes, I realize that.

My car was born with a startling lack of front camber. Dunno why, but you could see the difference compared to other Elise cars.

I finally got tired of it and put in trick steering arms and lowered the car a bit with Fred's DA Penske setup. Now the car feels much better in all situations, and I no longer cord the front tires on the outside edge. I don't care that it is hugely-uncompetitive in SSM.
 
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