I don't care that it was a flop, but was it really marketing that killed off the idea of a FWD Lotus?zr1fan said:This seems like a pretty dumb argument. For one, your question wasn't "are there any FWD sports cars that are financially viable to produce and sell in today's market". Whether it was a flop or not, or whether economic, social, or technological factors have changed since a cars introduction shouldn't bear on whether it's a sports car.
*YAWN* since you're stretching on this one, I figured I'd follow suit Don't make ridiculous claims to try to discredit a far more reasonable one: FWD does not a sportscar makezr1fan said:Are cars from the 30's, 40's, or 50's with 0-60 times in the 7-10+ second range no longer sports cars? Are discontinued model lines no longer sports cars? The Jag XJ220 was a big flop, is it just a sporty coupe because of it? I could go on, but I assume you get the point.
Oh no, I just fielded an off the wall bizzaro comment from a Neon driver and injected some well-meaning but perhaps harsh sarcasm?zr1fan said:However, the more I read your replies and see you ripping on specific cars (and worse, specific owners of those cars) like the SRT-4 and M100, and saying things like how FWD is fine for soccer moms, but not real drivers, the more it becomes clear that you aren't interested in a discussion of this topic. But rather you just want to assert a statement about the supremacy of the car you chose to buy.
C'mon everyone knows it's far more important to be able to MacGyver a Neon into beating a stock Viper than it is to recognize that in the grand scheme of things the Viper is everything a Neon can never be no matter how many letters are in the badging or other assorted stuff you do to the Neon
BTW, I feel no need to tell everyone what I drive, nor do I find it necessary to confuse my identity with a possession (e.g. a car) unlike some I too like ZR-1 Corvettes, but didn't feel the need nor utter lack of originality to name myself thusly. >=P
But back to the point, "the supremacy of the car", singular? I choose to buy? Stretching again I see I have owned every type of conventional drivetrain possible with the exception of RR (rear-engine and rear-wheel-drive).
I did not ask everyone's thoughts here as some sort of virtual circle jerk. I just had my thoughts and believe others share them, somehow I don't think that those that say "no there aren't any FWD sportscars" are the automotive equivalents of "flatlanders" or luddites.
No idea, why not start your own poll and attract your own trolls there?zr1fan said:I'd ask a question of you then. Can any car modern car with a power to weight ratio worse than 10lbs/hp be considered a real sports car? How about a car with a n/a 4-banger? Or how about a car with no professional racing pedigree? If a car is a last-ditch effort to bail out a failing automaker, can it still be considered a sports car?
If you're trying in soo many words to make thinly veiled jabs at the Lotus Elise/Exige, I'm just guessing here, but you're sorta kinda in the wrong place for it. I'm sure the Elise old school will come out and ask you WTF with comments like "no professional racing pedigree" etc.
[STEWIE_from_Family_Guy]And I want an end to hunger, abolishment of poverty, and World peace as well. How deliciously simplistic and quaint. >=Pzr1fan said:Or maybe, all those things are irrelevant to the point. Perhaps all that matters is that the car has a focus on performance over other things, that it feels at home on a road-course, an auto-cross, a drag-strip, or wherever. And that it's owners have fun while driving it and enjoy owning it.
Shall you start with the S'mores and rounds of Kumbaya or do you have other automotive Rodney King's to help out with that?[/STEWIE_from_Family_Guy]
No one is saying FWD owners can't have fun, afterall some people even enjoy being urinated upon by others, but having fun with them doesn't make FWD cars sportscars either.