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Guys,

I picked up my 2006 Elise a few weeks ago, thoroughly enjoying it, driving it every chance I get. However, since I'd never driven any other Elise prior to getting mine, I have no reference to compare to. Specifically, I notice the following issues:

[1] At high speed (90+) the car doesn't feel stable. Perhaps that's just the extreme feedback of an Elise, letting me know everything about the road surface?
[2] Most of the time, there's a hiccup in power delivery just before crossing 4000 RPM, around 3800-3900
[3] Shifter has lots of play laterally while in any gear. I've read about "Stan's mod", and the ShiftR111 kit. I'd love to compare the shifting feel with other Elises before doing anything.


Would love to get a ride in another Elise to see if what I feel in mine is the way it should be. Of course, the chance to meet other Lotus owners is a huge plus!
So, if anyone in the SoCal area has time to meet, that'd be wonderful and much appreciated.
I live in Bakersfield, so the closer to me the better, but willing to drive to LA/OC.

Thank you!!
 

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Guys,

I picked up my 2006 Elise a few weeks ago, thoroughly enjoying it, driving it every chance I get. However, since I've never driven any other Elise prior to getting mine, I have no reference to compare to. Specifically, I notice the following issues:

[1] At high speed (90+) the car doesn't feel stable. Perhaps that's just the extreme feedback of an Elise, letting me know everything about the road surface?
[2] Most of the time, there's a hiccup in power delivery just before crossing 4000 RPM, around 3800-3900
[3] Shifter has lots of play laterally while in any gear. I've read about "Stan's mod", and the ShiftR111 kit. I'd love to compare the shifting feel with other Elises before doing anything.


Would love to get a ride in another Elise to see if what I feel in mine is the way it should be. Of course, the chance to meet other Lotus owners is a huge plus!
So, if anyone in the SoCal area has time to meet, that'd be wonderful and much appreciated.
I live in Bakersfield, so the closer to me the better, but willing to drive to LA/OC.

Thank you!!
The car is a brick aerodynamically, so it won't necessarily feel planted at higher speeds. And you are correct that road imperfections can make the car feel squirrely. That said, more about the car. Miles? Last time it was aligned? Was it ever in an accident? Tire condition/inflation? Suspension and all bits in good shape?

I've owned 5 Eliges, haven't experienced a 'power blip' as you describe.

These cars have LOTS of play in the shifter. IN addition to Stan's Mod and the ShiftR111kit, see if you can get your hands on a LETSLA kit.
 

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Regarding #1, just get an alignment. Regarding #3, you don't have to purchase a kit to do stan's mod, and it can be done in like 30 minutes and if you use a stack of washers, completely reversible. Another thing to "just do," you'll waste more time with what you've proposed, IMO.
 
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Guys,

I picked up my 2006 Elise a few weeks ago, thoroughly enjoying it, driving it every chance I get. However, since I've never driven any other Elise prior to getting mine, I have no reference to compare to. Specifically, I notice the following issues:

[1] At high speed (90+) the car doesn't feel stable. Perhaps that's just the extreme feedback of an Elise, letting me know everything about the road surface?
[2] Most of the time, there's a hiccup in power delivery just before crossing 4000 RPM, around 3800-3900
[3] Shifter has lots of play laterally while in any gear. I've read about "Stan's mod", and the ShiftR111 kit. I'd love to compare the shifting feel with other Elises before doing anything.


Would love to get a ride in another Elise to see if what I feel in mine is the way it should be. Of course, the chance to meet other Lotus owners is a huge plus!
So, if anyone in the SoCal area has time to meet, that'd be wonderful and much appreciated.
I live in Bakersfield, so the closer to me the better, but willing to drive to LA/OC.

Thank you!!
1. Stability: I find that small, light cars also respond to corner weighting. Did on my hot rod Elan and on Elise. Significant improvement, demonstrable.

2: Maybe pull plug connectors and slather with dielectric grease.

3: Don't bother with another's car, just do both mods and lube the joints. Also, see this:

Note to new Elise & Exige Owners:


1. These cars have large (i.e. dangerous) blind spots. Multivex mirrors are NLA, but RLS (Really Light Stuff) offers very good tape-on replacements.


2. The horns are way too weak (quiet). There’s an inverse relationship: smaller the car, louder the horn needs to be.

Get something such as a Stebel Nautilus.

Stock: “Excuse me”


Stebel: “HONK! LOOK OUT!”

Remove the stock horn; replace with louder.

(I drive with my finger on the horn button in any traffic. Iffy situations, my headlights are on.

Stay to the left of traffic, i.e. avoid passing on the right if you can.

Stop way behind trucks, SUVs, etc. Some have blindspots >50’. )


3. The early cars came with misaimed and dim headlights. If you drive at night, convert to HIDs. While better than stock halogen bulbs are available, HIDs throw more light. Stay around 5000k.


4. Ensure your car has had the work required by the recall for oil line fittings done. You could lose an engine and/or spin in your own oil.

5. The best transmission lube I’ve found is Redline MT-90 plus a little Power Punch Extreme Gear Oil Additive. (Note that it takes two changes to get rid of the previous lube.)

a) Early cars have wobbly shift towers. Look up Stan’s Mod (bolt and spacer; http://www.billswebspace.com/ShifterReinforcement.pdf) and

Re-Enforcer long thru bolts that terminate under car and tie down the tower:
https://www.inokinetic.com/lotus/re-enforcer?category=Transmission

These (lube, mods) make a huge change in shifting.


6. As per some engine builders on these sites, wait AT LEAST 20 minutes after coolant has reached full operating temp before engaging cam switchover.

For street cars, consider removing one or both oil coolers. Some cover them.


7. Rear toe-links can loosen and break with disastrous results. You can check tq periodically, or use Nordlock washers. Best is conversion to better engineered brace, such as BOE’s InoKinetic’s for two examples.


8. While under the car with panel off, look around for hoses and wires chafing their way to failure. That’s how this was found:
https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f311/cooling-ticking-timebomb-how-your-cooling-u-tube-47232/

9. The stock radiators are prone to leaking where the end caps meet the metal part. Keep an eye on this. Most of us use single-pass all-aluminum radiators.

10. When your wheel well liner comes loose, skip the lame plastic rivet and use Well-Nuts instead.

11. Life will be better if you disable the auto-arming alarm function on the earlier cars. You won’t have to press a button to start the car. Instructions:

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f320/remote-key-fob-immobilizer-misc-alarm-programming-70940/


12. These cars cannot be left off a Battery Tender for weeks at a time. Unless dead batteries are a particular joy of yours. Buy one right away. There are numerous threads here about which ppl use and like.


13, Some on this site are a bit obsessed with hockey pucks for lifting the car. Don’t use these. Too hard and slippery, generally, and too small a surface area. Use a piece of wood, as your hero does.

14. Visit the Uber Thread

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f3/elise-exige-uberpost-read-everything-you-need-know-here-25131/

15. Most parts on the car are made by Toyota and others, so buying things like a/c compressors, engine parts, etc. is wildly expensive when purchased thru Lotus.
Toyota dealers, auto parts stores are way less expensive.

16. The soft high-grip tires on most of our cars lose much of that grip when temperatures drop below 50 F. I know of too many ppl who spun their cars when not remembering this. I use hi-performance all-seasons.

Note that many summer tires cannot even be stored in temps below 20 F.

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Plus, “How to bleed brakes”:

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f101/how-bleed-brakes-241138/


How to Search:

For future reference: Don't use the search on this site. Simply use Google and end the search text with "site:lotustalk.com". E.g.
Transmission Fluid change what bolt site:lotustalk.com no space betw site:lotustalk.com
 

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The car is a brick aerodynamically, so it won't necessarily feel planted at higher speeds. And you are correct that road imperfections can make the car feel squirrely. That said, more about the car. Miles? Last time it was aligned? Was it ever in an accident? Tire condition/inflation? Suspension and all bits in good shape?

I've owned 5 Eliges, haven't experienced a 'power blip' as you describe.

These cars have LOTS of play in the shifter. IN addition to Stan's Mod and the ShiftR111kit, see if you can get your hands on a LETSLA kit.
Mileage is about 26000. According to seller (not original owner, but he only had the car for 1 year, barely put 1000 miles on it), no history of accident, alignment unknown. I'm still searching for a reputable Lotus mechanic to have everything checked out, especially the suspension. Tires and pressure are both fine.

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Guys,

I picked up my 2006 Elise a few weeks ago, thoroughly enjoying it, driving it every chance I get. However, since I've never driven any other Elise prior to getting mine, I have no reference to compare to. Specifically, I notice the following issues:

[1] At high speed (90+) the car doesn't feel stable. Perhaps that's just the extreme feedback of an Elise, letting me know everything about the road surface?
[2] Most of the time, there's a hiccup in power delivery just before crossing 4000 RPM, around 3800-3900
[3] Shifter has lots of play laterally while in any gear. I've read about "Stan's mod", and the ShiftR111 kit. I'd love to compare the shifting feel with other Elises before doing anything.


Would love to get a ride in another Elise to see if what I feel in mine is the way it should be. Of course, the chance to meet other Lotus owners is a huge plus!
So, if anyone in the SoCal area has time to meet, that'd be wonderful and much appreciated.
I live in Bakersfield, so the closer to me the better, but willing to drive to LA/OC.

Thank you!!
Personally I think the car feels solid at 90 and always felt that the faster it went the more planted it felt. If it feels off it probably is. They are very sensitive to set up, tire pressures etc so I’d just get an alignment, tires checked etc and it should be fine. Also flat spotted tires (if it’s been sitting) can make it feel off also but it will work out of it as it’s driven. The car will have plenty of feedback but shouldn’t feel scary.

Hard to know about the hiccup. Is it the switchover of the cam? He sport ecu changes the cam at 4000 so it could be related to that. Mine coughed and spluttered a bit from time to time and it had a little hiccup here and there so unless it’s major I wouldn’t worry.

Mine had a good shifter but I drove an Exige 240 and it was definitely tighter. The mod should take care of it and as mentioned I’d try that first.
 

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Personally I think the car feels solid at 90 and always felt that the faster it went the more planted it felt. If it feels off it probably is. They are very sensitive to set up, tire pressures etc so I’d just get an alignment, tires checked etc and it should be fine. Also flat spotted tires (if it’s been sitting) can make it feel off also but it will work out of it as it’s driven. The car will have plenty of feedback but shouldn’t feel scary.

Hard to know about the hiccup. Is it the switchover of the cam? He sport ecu changes the cam at 4000 so it could be related to that. Mine coughed and spluttered a bit from time to time and it had a little hiccup here and there so unless it’s major I wouldn’t worry.

Mine had a good shifter but I drove an Exige 240 and it was definitely tighter. The mod should take care of it and as mentioned I’d try that first.
Ah, and I thought the changeover to VVTL-i is at 6000 RPM. There's no drivability issue, only that I felt something at 3800-3900, so I called it a "hiccup". I'll definitely get an alignment.

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For the high speed issue, it could be that your tires need some balancing.

I have a stock Elise and do not have the blip at 4000 rpm.
 

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The high speed is definitely an alignment issue. I raised my car a few mm and it got squirrely over 75mph until i re-aligned it.
 

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Ah, and I thought the changeover to VVTL-i is at 6000 RPM. There's no drivability issue, only that I felt something at 3800-3900, so I called it a "hiccup". I'll definitely get an alignment.

Thanks,
Darren, I wasn’t clear in my last post but the stock ECU changes the cam profile at 6-6500rpm. The sport ecu was an option and standard on the Elise SC had the changeover was around 4000. If you notice the step in performance at 6000 (and it’s very noticeable) then it doesn’t have the sport ecu but if that step up is at 4000 then it has.

Mine kinda coughed throughout the rev range from time to time and especially on start up. Almost like for a split second after you floored it it was getting too much fuel and then it just cleared it all out and did it’s thing. Nothing major or effected drivability and it really endeared it to me.
 

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If you're ever near Apple Valley, Victorville, or Barstow hit me up 760-490-eightfoursixsix. I will let you drive my 2005 so you can feel the difference. Everything is stock for the exception of my shifter. I have the old "B&M" shifter upgrade but I'm sure the new shifter upgrades are very similar to mine. Having test drove several lotus I can say it's a night and day difference in shifting.
 
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If you're ever near Apple Valley, Victorville, or Barstow hit me up 760-490-eightfoursixsix. I will let you drive my 2005 so you can feel the difference. Everything is stock for the exception of my shifter. I have the old "B&M" shifter upgrade but I'm sure the new shifter upgrades are very similar to mine. Having test drove several lotus I can say it's a night and day difference in shifting.

Thank you!
Will keep you in mind if I'm around the area.
 

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Hi,
My name is Tim. I live in L.A. (Irwindale)

Every other Saturday morning, I go to a local Cars & Coffee in La Canada (actual address is: 1919 Verdugo Blvd., Glendale, CA 91208 - 6:00 - 9:00 A.M.).

I would be happy to meet up there to talk Lotus (I will be there this Saturday, but only from 6:30 - 7:30 A.M.).

When I first got into Elises, the best advice I got was to immediately put new tires on the car and have it aligned done by someone who knows what they are doing. I was told a lot of new Lotus owners crash their cars because their tires are old, hard and slippery. Yes, the car could have ultra-low miles on it, but its tires might be 6 or 8 years old. How old are your tires? (they are dated if you look). Secondly, your car could be out of alignment. I regularly drive at 100+ and my Elise is stable as a rock (new tires/alignment).

BTW: there is an excellent shop nearby to the C&C, called A1 Automotive (626) 286-8277, in San Gabriel. A1's owner, Harix "Harry" Piekarsa, is a Lotus owner and a great guy. He really knows these cars and does 4-wheel alignments. His prices are very fair, too. Maybe you could make an appointment to have Harix check out your Elise some Saturday after C&C?

Tim (626) 716-7780
 

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Hey Tim, I'm Duarte! If you see a yellow Exige in the area it's most likely me. I drive Azusa Canyon pretty regularly too. Nice to have a lotus neighbor.
 

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I'm over in Monrovia now, and grew up in Bakersfield. Small world.
One other thing thing that MAY be causing the hiccup is if you have the A/C on. I haven't seen it happen at a consistent RPM, but it does cause the car to stutter when the compressor turns off. It's a documented issue but still very disquieting if you've never experienced it and aren't expecting it. Feels like the car just died and then starts and then picks up where it left off.
I'll second the recommendation for Harry's shop and he's on LotusTalk as well.
 
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