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Lotus elise R to SC conversion: MAP sensor mystery

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I was hoping to finish my OEM MP45 Eaton supercharger kit installation, I bougt the kit as an unfinished project from a french Lotuzz driver.

I also ran into an oldskool Adaptronic ECU from Simply Sportscars. From a german Lotus brother. For a sweet price. So no need for a LOTUS T4 ECU or remapping my R (federal 2006) ECU. But found out that SSC has killed their Forum. Lots of angry RX7 and RX8 drivers that have a Mazda/Miata version of the same thing on their machines.

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I went to the dyno and the tuner, not being to happy working on a discontinued ECU and was recommended to me for he has tuned the 2ZZGE engine for them Celica GTS owners.

He didn't get the information he needed to finish the tuning. Sensor upgrade time.

  • I ordered an AEM kit with the Bosch LSU 4.9 Lambda sensor. Figured it out, installing will be slow but successfull in the end. And I understand now that a narrowband is just not adequate for my tuning dreams.
  • I replaced the Denso MAF sensor with an oem Toyota one just to rule out it is not functioning with my baby strapped in on the dyno (again)

==> Here comes my point: the tuner insists on an (external) MAP sensor for "measuring vacuum values behind the Supercharger, on the inlet manifold". It drives me crazy, I cannot find any information on this sensor, Toyota crowd states that no MAP sensor is used on the 2ZZGE. I cannot even identify the part other than MWR selling a replacement TMAP sensor: Lotus OEM T MAP Sensor - Exige, 2-eleven. My shout out for the wizards here:

  • Is the TMAP sensor installed somewhere (and where?? I cannot find it) and what can be the cause of it not delivering data to the ECU?
  • If not: where to install an external MAP sensor, tuner sends me one to install, do I am preparing the surgery table here
  • Or: inside the Adaptronic Select, there is a small tube that the tuner showed me to connect silicon hose on to feed the ECU, that should/could have an internal Map sensor (up to 4 bar): how to hook this up? I will drill a hole the ECU if needed, but rather not.

And: if there are no map sensors on the outside of my Adaptronic Select (I am missing those things as seen in the picture below, an m1200 Adaptronic)

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  • No instructions on the supercharger kit installation manual,
  • no MAP sensor threads (exept for the K-series engine and 340R)

how would this value be fed to any ECU to deliver the promised 220 horsies?

BTW: the Adaptronic came with an extra loom and I identified the wires that say MAP value and MAP temperature value;

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Thanks a bunch, hope someone here
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can make me stop crawling the interweb at night to figure it out,

greetings from Amsterdam

Mark
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Sensors are sensors, your tuner should be able to map the voltage to pressure values in the ECU. Make sure you get a sensor that matches boost range you anticipate. AEM sells a 3.5 BAR MAP sensor that would probably work; they recommend using stainless sensors for ECU/calibration data (higher precision). Hook your sensor up behind the throttle blade; you may need to tap it and install a nipple. I never mount sensors on the motor, I mount them in remote locations so that the vibrations don’t kill the sensor. Or like your tuner suggested, just tap and install the nipple and run a hose to the ECU.
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HI ACslater,

on the hose option: isn't the nipple on the supercharger a (tempting) nipple to connect to? It is not mentioned anywhere...



I'm curious what data sensor does the stock Elise SC T4 ECU use to analyse the manifold air pressure?






Much obliged, mark

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I was hoping to finish my OEM MP45 Eaton supercharger kit installation, I bougt the kit as an unfinished project from a french Lotuzz driver.

I also ran into an oldskool Adaptronic ECU from Simply Sportscars. From a german Lotus brother. For a sweet price. So no need for a LOTUS T4 ECU or remapping my R (federal 2006) ECU. But found out that SSC has killed their Forum. Lots of angry RX7 and RX8 drivers that have a Mazda/Miata version of the same thing on their machines.

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I went to the dyno and the tuner, not being to happy working on a discontinued ECU and was recommended to me for he has tuned the 2ZZGE engine for them Celica GTS owners.

He didn't get the information he needed to finish the tuning. Sensor upgrade time.

  • I ordered an AEM kit with the Bosch LSU 4.9 Lambda sensor. Figured it out, installing will be slow but successfull in the end. And I understand now that a narrowband is just not adequate for my tuning dreams.
  • I replaced the Denso MAF sensor with an oem Toyota one just to rule out it is not functioning with my baby strapped in on the dyno (again)

==> Here comes my point: the tuner insists on an (external) MAP sensor for "measuring vacuum values behind the Supercharger, on the inlet manifold". It drives me crazy, I cannot find any information on this sensor, Toyota crowd states that no MAP sensor is used on the 2ZZGE. I cannot even identify the part other than MWR selling a replacement TMAP sensor: Lotus OEM T MAP Sensor - Exige, 2-eleven. My shout out for the wizards here:

  • Is the TMAP sensor installed somewhere (and where?? I cannot find it) and what can be the cause of it not delivering data to the ECU?
  • If not: where to install an external MAP sensor, tuner sends me one to install, do I am preparing the surgery table here
  • Or: inside the Adaptronic Select, there is a small tube that the tuner showed me to connect silicon hose on to feed the ECU, that should/could have an internal Map sensor (up to 4 bar): how to hook this up? I will drill a hole the ECU if needed, but rather not.

And: if there are no map sensors on the outside of my Adaptronic Select (I am missing those things as seen in the picture below, an m1200 Adaptronic)

View attachment 1340867

  • No instructions on the supercharger kit installation manual,
  • no MAP sensor threads (exept for the K-series engine and 340R)

how would this value be fed to any ECU to deliver the promised 220 horsies?

BTW: the Adaptronic came with an extra loom and I identified the wires that say MAP value and MAP temperature value;

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Thanks a bunch, hope someone here View attachment 1340867 View attachment 1340868 View attachment 1340869 can make me stop crawling the interweb at night to figure it out,

greetings from Amsterdam

Mark
I have this ECU and can send you all of the installation and tuning information. This will clear up most of your questions. I will try to send them through PM.

A few comments:
This ECU is a true plug and play ECU meaning you do not need to cut or splice the stock harness. All of the extra sensor inputs (even a wideband) use the AUX harnesses attached to the ECU and through the data loom that gets mounted in the cabin.
With this ECU you have to use an external MAP sensor, it does not have a MAP sensor inside the unit (the picture you posted with the vacuum hose attachment is not this ECU) nor can you use the factory MAF. Since your car did not come from the factory with a supercharger you have to use the AUX harness to connect the MAP sensor to. Only the factory supercharged Exiges have the TMAP sensor that can be read through the factory harness. I'm not surenif the the SC Elises have the TMAP, I don't think they do.
In addition to the MAP sensor you will need to fit an air temperature sensor too. Ideally, this sensor is post blower but that might be difficult since there is no intercooler piping to fit one. If you still have the stock MAF connect you could just use the temp sensor in that. The ECU can read that through the factory harness.
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HI ACslater,

on the hose option: isn't the nipple on the supercharger a (tempting) nipple to connect to? It is not mentioned anywhere...

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I'm curious what data sensor does the stock Elise SC T4 ECU use to analyse the manifold air pressure?



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Much obliged, mark

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Also, the MAP sensor has to get connected to a pressure source post blower. The nipple in the picture is pre-blower I believe.
You have have to drill and tap a spot.

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Also, the MAP sensor has to get connected to a pressure source post blower. The nipple in the picture is pre-blower I believe.
You have have to drill and tap a spot.

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Good to know, thanks!
Looks like I can post them to the forum.
Here are all of the manuals.
Thanks, will compare them with the docs the previous owner provided. Getting there. 101 street tuning training is in progress!
Scott,

I opened the ecu (the tuner did it when the tuning input data failed, so I dared it) and he pointed out a nipple on the circuit board.




The documentation states that every 420 ecu has a 4 bar Map sensor. The only thing is where to connect to and make a hole in the housing of the unit to lead a hose out. I ordered a 3mm silicon hose, if the external sensor connection is more of a PITA. Where to plug it in... do you ha have a picture of yours?

and maybe a 440cc injector SC map to share for flashing on the unit for driving to the tuner again? Nice to stay in contact on this dinosaur ECU...

For now: muchos gracias amigo!
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Looks like I can post them to the forum.
Here are all of the manuals.
The FAQ is new for me, very helpful missing links there, cheers!
Scott,

I opened the ecu (the tuner did it when the tuning input data failed, so I dared it) and he pointed out a nipple on the circuit board. View attachment 1341101

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The documentation states that every 420 ecu has a 4 bar Map sensor. The only thing is where to connect to and make a hole in the housing of the unit to lead a hose out. I ordered a 3mm silicon hose, if the external sensor connection is more of a PITA. Where to plug it in... do you ha have a picture of yours?

and maybe a 440cc injector SC map to share for flashing on the unit for driving to the tuner again? Nice to stay in contact on this dinosaur ECU...

For now: muchos gracias amigo!
I am very surprised to see that there could be an internal MAP sensor. Based on all of their documentation, I didn't think it had an internal MAP sensor. I wonder why SSC didn't package the unit with an external port for the MAP sensor. If you choose to try to use it I will be curious to see if it works.
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