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Need a new quasi fuel efficiant 4 door car. Looking at the new Ford Focus ST vs Mazdaspeed3. From my experience I thought of the Subaru or evo but again do not want to be tempted too much to go upgrade crazy as the car may go to 1 of my children in 5 years. Don't worry not selling the Lotus. I live in Fl so awd is not needed for climate. Thanks Tommy


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My short list would be, in this order

Fiat 500 Abarth
Focus ST
Golf R
Volvo C30 R-line
Mazadspeed3

The Focus is probably the best all 'rounder but all of them are a little potent to give a new driver. Starting with a 250hp FWD rocket could be a bit much (certainly compared to my '84 Accord)
 

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Mini, gti or focus I would take over the fiat. O yea.... Mazda would be on that list as well.....

Not sure which one I would take, just need to drive them. Employee picked up a focus a month or so ago, replaced a Mercedes and he loves it.....
 

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My buddy steve has the Arbath fiat but it is a 2 door. Not crazy about the mini. The Gti is cool but a little more expensive. My kids are 12 and will have track traing before driving but that can only do so much. My son is a super law abiding citizen which is opposite from me! Will drive the Ford when they are here. The Mazda is fun but serious torque steer. Thanks all


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Used C-class or 3 series. You can find them used for the same price as those cars you listed. No better all around car for everything you do on a regular basis. I would take one of those over the econo-mobiles any day.
And you'd get to drive around in wall paper paste - ugh, so boring - have some style!
 

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Have you driven an MS 3? It really does torque steer ALOT. Just too much power for FWD imho. It is a fine car otherwise, the suspension is firm and it feels nimble at part throttle. MCS is really a nice car when optioned right. I would not touch a modern VW. They say the reliability has been fixed, but I say the jury is still out. There arnt that many nible little sedans these days unfortunately.

BTW any of these cars is just as Moddable as an evo or subaru, so you are going to have to keep yourself on the wagon.
 

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And you'd get to drive around in wall paper paste - ugh, so boring - have some style!
You know, you're exactly right, because the list of cars so far is so exotic and exciting. Why would you want a C or 3 when you can drive an Escort or Rabbit?

He is asking for a DD. He's keeping the Elise.

I don't need my DD to be exciting. I need it to be reliable and practical. I need my weekend car to be exciting and impractical.

I only need to compromise if I have only one car.
 

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The new 328i with the turbo 4 banger N20 motor gets about 36 MPG highway and is very nice to drive. With a tune people are getting 300 hp and 300 tq.
 

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M3 4-door. What the heck; you live in Florida. You don't need the salt-proofness of a Saturn or the AWD of a Sube.
 

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Wife has a 128 i conv. Great car but only 2 door. The m3 4 door is awaome but a little above budget of 29k max!


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Hyundai is still a little slow


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The new 328i with the turbo 4 banger N20 motor gets about 36 MPG highway and is very nice to drive. With a tune people are getting 300 hp and 300 tq.
Yep I like those a lot. I have a 2012 335i and couldn't really ask for a better daily driver.

For an econo-mobile I'd go for a MINI Cooper S. My husband has one and has a long commute. We both like it a lot!
 

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You know, you're exactly right, because the list of cars so far is so exotic and exciting. Why would you want a C or 3 when you can drive an Escort or Rabbit?

He is asking for a DD. He's keeping the Elise.

I don't need my DD to be exciting. I need it to be reliable and practical. I need my weekend car to be exciting and impractical.

I only need to compromise if I have only one car.
Sorry, I just really can't stand the 3 series and think the Focus ST (not base mind you) is a far cooler choice. The Abarth is way beyond both in terms of style/fun/cool but clearly not nearly as practical. I see why people buy something like the 3 series in terms of its an appliance, I just want a bit more than that. Definitely a Merc before a BMW but I'd (clearly) go Audi above that.

Needing something and wanting something are different but why not want what you need?
 
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