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It's not uncommon to be charged $20 - 30 for a filter ("genuine Lotus") plus $10/qt of oil (5 to 6 qts). I think you get stuck for at least two hrs of labor ($80/hr or more), so there you go. Personally, I was not thrilled to be paying Lotus to have them do an ECU dump for their own edification, but you have no choice.
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I was charged $37 for my filter. WOO HOO! I tell myself its a super duper special filter so Im happy with it. 
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I didnt know that power steering was a big deal until I started seeing people post about the "lack" of it here on the board.
Ive always driven cars without power steering ( cept our SUV which you had to have it). In fact, Ive always tried to AVOID power steering. I prefer to not have it. Ive never had a problem, not even with race tires on them.
Am I missing something?
Ive always driven cars without power steering ( cept our SUV which you had to have it). In fact, Ive always tried to AVOID power steering. I prefer to not have it. Ive never had a problem, not even with race tires on them.
Am I missing something?
oil change
yes the parts where as follows:filter=20.70
synthetic oil 5 qts. =9.95 each
labor=227.82 bucks
go figure that out...what a rip off even though we can afford it, it's just plain rediculous and on top of it they have to download your freaking ecu stats so they can get you when your car blows up!!! i hope it is legal on what they are doing especially the downloading part. any lawyers there????
yes the parts where as follows:filter=20.70
synthetic oil 5 qts. =9.95 each
labor=227.82 bucks
go figure that out...what a rip off even though we can afford it, it's just plain rediculous and on top of it they have to download your freaking ecu stats so they can get you when your car blows up!!! i hope it is legal on what they are doing especially the downloading part. any lawyers there????
Two minor things:
1) You can supply your own oil for the 1000 mile service
(must be 5W40 synthetic, as noted in other threads).
This will cut the cost of the oil in half (at least), plus it
fills the sump with oil you know you can purchase locally
when / if you need to top up.
2) Not a lawyer (not that there's anything wrong with that),
and certainly not a defender of Lotus and their logic, but
I wonder if one of the reasons for the ECU record is so
that they can get reimbursed from Toyota for engine
warranty claims? If the engine was not "abused",
according to the ECU record, then I would think that
Toyota might be expected to cover any warranty costs.
Just a thought.
1) You can supply your own oil for the 1000 mile service
(must be 5W40 synthetic, as noted in other threads).
This will cut the cost of the oil in half (at least), plus it
fills the sump with oil you know you can purchase locally
when / if you need to top up.
2) Not a lawyer (not that there's anything wrong with that),
and certainly not a defender of Lotus and their logic, but
I wonder if one of the reasons for the ECU record is so
that they can get reimbursed from Toyota for engine
warranty claims? If the engine was not "abused",
according to the ECU record, then I would think that
Toyota might be expected to cover any warranty costs.
Just a thought.
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Very good point. I don't know either, but now that you mention it, they must have some sort of warranty agreement with Toyota. I would be curious to see what it is.Jim Itin said:
I highly doubt they signed a contract to buy a lot of the engines with zero warranty. And if there is a warranty, I would expect it to be similar to what Toyota would normally warranty on their cars or something like 3 years, 36k miles.
And I could certainly see the possibility that more conservative Toyota saying "wait, how will we know that these engines you are putting in a street legal race car, are not abused?"
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