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Novoice Driver Concerns

I have never driven a car without power-steering before. And I am growing concerned with just how loud this car is going to be (I had a noisy Jeep Wrangler that drove me crazy).

I love this car. The name, the look etc. I love that it looks like a go-kart. I don't care about radio or any of the power conveniences (windows/locks/mirrors/seats), but the noise and steering are getting me worried.

I am trying to hang on the waiting list (I have 2 cars already and the price increase really hurts) . . . someone make me feel better, please.
 

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Wouldn't worry about the lack of power steering. Currently own a mid-engine car that has a good 800lbs on the Elise w/o ps. It's fine. The Euro was fine as well, even did a 180 at parking lot speeds, the light weight make it easy & lower profile tire help. My test drive was with the top off. More so if you get the touring package- more sound insulation, doubt noise would be much of a issue. Even with the top off it was much quite then my MR2 with the t-tops off.
 

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Well, you can relax about the steering. It's plenty light. I didn't feel like I had to use any effort to turn the wheel at all, except while stopped. Once you've owned a car without power steering for a while, you get used to not turning the wheel until you're moving at least a little bit.

You really won't have any problems with the steering. It's really good.

As for noise... well, you'll have engine noise, but I found it to be MUCH more quiet than my jeep. However, my jeep is a CJ, and carrying on a conversation on the highway involves a lot of yelling. I was able to converse without any yelling involved when I test drove, if that helps.

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The Elise is the polar opposite of your H2. This car is completely uncompromising. Don't expect Porsche comfort. Loud? Yep. Small? Very. Tasty? Indeed!!!!

The steering is no problem. The brakes are probably going to be the biggest input device that'll shock you. The pedal effort will be higher than most people are used to. I'm guessing the servo assist will help.

The demos cars will become available in April. You'll get a good chance to decide if the car is suitable to your needs.

Until, then stay on the list. It is going to be a very special car. In whatever color you choose! :)
 

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What they said.

Steering is a non-issue. It will be fine. I ran my car with 225s racing tires on the front, and that was something you could feel in a tight parking lot. :) But 175 or 195 tires on the Elise felt fine on my test drive.

Most noise that bothers people, specially on off road type cars, is from the tires. Off road knobbies of certain designs are very bad. The Elise will barely be noticeable.

Second source of noise is the wind buffeting the car. Not an issue on the Elise.

What you will hear is two things. Engine exhaust, and it's right behind your head. The second may be intake, because you are so close to it. These are two sounds I do not mind. They are not irritating to me, like tire or wind noise.
 

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Okay, thanks. The steering should be okay then. Either way I can drive it in April. The noise that bothers me the most is wind and soft top movement. If I hear exhaust or a throaty intake -- great!

As far as being the polar opposite of my H2 -- that is the idea

H2 - Family trips, long hauls, shopping, people moving

Rx-8 - Everyday commuter car. Quick Accel, great handeling, Bose, Sunroof, heated seats, Navigation, back seats, etc. My red and black interior is very popular in Atlanta Falcons country over here (although I am a die-hard Eagles Fan)

Lotus Elise - Weekend and Weeknights fun car. Drive to mountains, dinner, beach, etc.
 

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One big plus of a mid-engine car is having the motor right behind you, just firing it up can bring a smile to my face. Driving takes
it a whole other level... sorry mild case of cabin fever :p (only one fun run the last two months).
 

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I had a Lotus Europa for years and it had non-assisted steering and it was fantastic, in fact I ended up installing a quicker ratio in it and loved it. Also I removed the vacuum assist on the brakes and loved the responsiveness. My Seven has power nothing and believe me it is fantastic, I laugh when I read a road test and the tester talks about how responsive the car is to input, drive a Seven that's responsive! I expect the Elise will be in the same kind of catagory as the Europa and Seven.
 

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LOTUdaGround said:

As far as being the polar opposite of my H2 -- that is the idea
You should have someone follow you in the Elise with the H2 while they talk on a cell phone to get an idea of how safe being on the road near one makes other people feel :rolleyes:
 

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I'm just curious about the first time I pass a tractor-trailer on the highway. Gonna be 'interesting' to look up at that. Could probably drive under it, 'fast and furious' style. And get squashed ala 'fast and furious 2' style.

I surprise enough truck drivers already with my miata. Speaking of which, have any of you experienced truck drivers attempting intimidation tactics? They like to see how close they can drive to my bumper occasionally in heavy traffic. I usually just make a point of driving slow if they start playing that game.

(Ok, I admit, I watched it! But it was at a friends house, and I didn't like it! I'm sorry... whimper... forgive me... for I have sinned. I watched the bling bling.) :D

Cade

I blame my parents. Say no to bling.
 

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Just curious.. Why are you worried about noise? That hummer H2 is going to be louder than the Elise just from the stock tires on that gas guzzling hog ;)
 

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MotorCade said:
Speaking of which, have any of you experienced truck drivers attempting intimidation tactics? They like to see how close they can drive to my bumper occasionally in heavy traffic. I usually just make a point of driving slow if they start playing that game.
I've never experienced a professional truck driver acting like that...almost all of the ones I see are driving very responsibly, actually. However, I see that behaviour in pickups and SUVs quite often. They're usually rewarded with a moment of panic as I briefly tap the brakes to avoid the purple rabbits that suddenly jump in front of the car in those situations, and they are forced to brake hard to avoid hitting me. ;)
 

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Hmmm. Yes, I deal with it about the same, but it only seems to happen to me in the miata. I figured it's just cause it's a small car.

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I found out recently that there is a not so secret underground of people that absolutely hate Hummer H2s. Here’s a site I found out about on another forum (sorry Randy I cheated).

http://www.fuh2.com/
Funny stuff at the anti-Hummer site. I am no fan of SUVs of any sort. But the people who put up the anti-H2 site present only simplistic arguments, and are missing the real point: That drivers who lack confidence gravitate toward SUVs for a sense of security, and that once cocooned in the SUV, they become even WORSE drivers (so lulled by a false sense of security), and then mishandle vehicles that should actually be handled with extreme care.

Mini-vans haul people more efficiently and certainly more safely. They were designed expressly to be people-movers.

Trucks haul objects better.

Whatever happened to station wagons? I hope they become cool again.

"Feeling safe has become more important than actually being safe..." -- that's the conundrum of SUV design, as expressed by an article I recently read.

Here's another great point from the same article, apropos to the Elise: "For years we made fun of the family man who trades in his sedate sedan for a shiny red sports car. That's called a midlife crisis. But at least it involves some degree of engagement with the act of driving. The man who gives up his sedate family sedan for an SUV is saying something far more troubling: That he finds the demands of the road to be overwhelming."

Luckily, cars like the Elise -- because they give you SOO much road feedback, and because they force you to pay SOO much attention to the driving at hand, and because they give you the power, brakes and handling to react to danger -- are actually suprisingly safe.

Unless, you get hit by an SUV, of course. :)
 

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If giving up a sedan for a shiny red sports car is a mid-life crisis it struck me at 22 years old and has continued for all these years (I won't say how many).
If all some people can protest is SUVs they need to get out more often! In the scheme of things SUVs are way down on my list of things in this world that need to be fixed!
 

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JonM3Coupe said:
Whatever happened to station wagons? I hope they become cool again.
They are cool again. That is exactly why they are not popular.

Once things become popular, they no longer are cool.... ;)
 

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You guys ever driven a 350z? It has about the tightest steering I have ever held. While driving at speeds under 15 mph, the wheel doesnt want to turn at all. It can get kind of annoying. But nice and tight is what you want when your going nice and fast...

-Whit
 

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JonM3Coupe said:
Whatever happened to station wagons? I hope they become cool again.
I agree! I have no doubt they'll become popular again, because, well, they already are doing so. Look at the latest crop of SUVs - they are becoming nothing more than tall station wagons with all wheel drive. Great examples are the Acura MDX (well, that's more like a minivan), Lexus 330 (or whatever that model is up to these days), Nissan Murano, Chrysler Pacifica.
 
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