so is this auction a scam????

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mact3333

Discussion Starter · Oct 27, 2004

he says he paid 48,000 for it but is this probable given that his pics show a car with sports pack but w/out touring???...he hasnt registered car yet so in CA does this mean he did or did not pay sales tax yet??..even if he paid tax, should he have paid 40K plus 2500.00 for sports pack and then tax??...I dont get 48K either way unless he got hardtop and paid tax already...I am interested in this car as color combo is ok and it has LSS.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2497855053&category=6312

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MikeAR303

· #2 · Oct 27, 2004

It never ceases to amaze me when people who own (or supposedly own) very expensive toys, can't spell simple words such as "dollar" correctly or use proper grammar.

Where do morons get their money? Inheritance?

Miguel

· #3 · Oct 27, 2004

He had to have payed sales tax, so I don't understand the car not being registered part.

Gromit

· #4 · Oct 27, 2004

Can you even buy a car in CA without it being registered ? I thought dealers did all that stuff automatically.

mact3333

Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 27, 2004

well his story is inconsistent...he says he has leather but pics show that he doesnt...window crank is clearly non-touring...either way, I dont see how he could have paid 48K

atyclb

· #6 · Oct 27, 2004

the pics show no touring pack, but then he says:

That includes insulated/carpeted door , insulated/lined soft top, and the upgraded CD/MP-3 player. This car has everything you could possible want on it!

raggedy1

· #7 · Oct 27, 2004

i don't remember what the transaction is called, but didn't someone mention that you can buy a car from a dealer without having them register it or pay the sales tax. Obviously it wouldn't be legal to drive, but isn't this what we do when we buy an out of state car?
I believe it is conceivable that this seller bought the car without paying tax or registering the car.

sonza68

· #8 · Oct 27, 2004

In MO, when you buy a car, the dealership does not handle the registration and sales tax. They give you temp tags which are good for 30 days and then leave it up to you to handle the rest. You have to go to the Driver's License Bureau and pay the sales tax when register the car. Theoretically you could sell the car without registering it and paying the sales tax.

I don't know CA laws about this though.

smura

· #9 · Oct 27, 2004

First, it is the dealers obligation to collect sales tax on behalf of the state at the point of sale. Whatever dealer in MO isn't collecting tax is breaking the law.

That being said, sales tax isn't a tax on the dealer, but on the purchaser. So if the dealer fails to collect tax, it is the legal obligation of the purchaser to self assess use tax and remit it to the state. You can't avoid this legal obligation by not registering the car. The fact that you took possession of the car triggers the use tax, regardless of whether you register the vehicle.

mact3333

Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 27, 2004

just spoke with seller from ebay and needless to say, I wont be bidding on this auction...

ConeFusion

· #11 · Oct 27, 2004

smura said:
First, it is the dealers obligation to collect sales tax on behalf of the state at the point of sale. Whatever dealer in MO isn't collecting tax is breaking the law.

No, in MO it always works the way that Tom describes. You pay tax when you register the car, not when you buy it. You also get a tax refund if you sell a car (under certain conditions). These things are really different from state to state.

Gromit

· #12 · Oct 27, 2004

mact3333 said:
just spoke with seller from ebay and needless to say, I wont be bidding on this auction...

What, no details for us to chuckle at ?

wreckless

· #13 · Oct 28, 2004

Pray tell...we'd all like to know.

mact3333

Discussion Starter · #14 · Oct 28, 2004

Gromit said:
What, no details for us to chuckle at ?

ok, first of all, he lists all the options of the touring pack on the ad and then tells me how touring adds weight and that he would never order it like that...then he tells me hes into it 48K and but until I start adding the price he says nothing of the "I paid 5K over MSRP" until the very end...his ad says he was #2 hence not likely he paid over MSRP, esp since his ad mentioned the recent price increase, implying he didnt have to pay it...then he tells me the car is worth at least 100K and that he has a lambo and 360 spyder yet hes trying to squeeze 5 extra thousand from potential buyers???...lastly, when I said I can buy an Elise right now from HRM for 2.5K over MSRP he lost his patience with me...not sure if its a scam but Im not touching this guys auction with 50ft pole...

wreckless

· #15 · Oct 28, 2004

Sounds like a genuine squirrel to me...

Patricko

· #16 · Oct 28, 2004

mact3333 said:
then he tells me the car is worth at least 100K and that he has a lambo and 360 spyder

If he has all of these fine autos why does he live in a condo

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Dan

· #17 · Oct 28, 2004

Patricko said:
If he has all of these fine autos why does he live in a condo

He conveniently forgot to mention that the cars were Hot Wheels.

pinmagic

· #18 · Oct 28, 2004

Dan said:
He conveniently forgot to mention that the cars were Hot Wheels.

Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. When the PS2 first came out, there were a lot of auctions that said "You're bidding on a picture of a Sony Playstation 2." They then went on to describe, in great detail, the amazing features of the PS2. People who didn't read the auction carefully got royally scammed when they shelled out big money, and then received a photograph in the mail.

smoseley

· #19 · Oct 28, 2004

MikeAR303 said:
Where do morons get their money?

They broker cars on eBay to bigger morons

Gromit

· #20 · Oct 28, 2004

hehehe

I like that

He probably only bought the car to sell it. Would be nice to see him lose money.

The 'it's worth at least 100K' arguement is always a killer. Especially coming from a guy who doesn't want the car ...

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