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I have a 97 Esprit, the tail lights when depressing the brake will not come on. Both the rear lights and the light inside of the fin. However, the lights come on normally when I turn on the lights and the blinkers work, etc. So, this is just isolated to the lights for the brakes. I have read the manual for fuses, but the fuses for the rear left break and right brake are shared with other electronics and those electronics are just fine. I have also checked the fuses just to make sure, those fuses are just fine.

So, does anyone know if there is a single point of failure that will take out the brake lights only???:confused:

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Darin;

You might want to check the brake light switch. On my '77 and '84s the switch is way up front in the foot well under the dash. The switch is triggered by movement of the brake pedal. On a couple of my other cars (non-Lotus) the brake light switch is a pressure switch mounted on the master cylinder. If it is similar to my early G-cars, it could be that one of the 2 wires on the switch has come off. Or it could be a failed switch.

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Would anyone have a resource guide or book as to where things are located on a 97 Lotus? I have a CD for my ATV that gives me diagram after diagram of where things are located on the ATV, I can even look it up by subject matter, etc and it will show me where it is at.

Any such resource would be great.

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Darin;

You might want to check the brake light switch. On my '77 and '84s the switch is way up front in the foot well under the dash. The switch is triggered by movement of the brake pedal. On a couple of my other cars (non-Lotus) the brake light switch is a pressure switch mounted on the master cylinder. If it is similar to my early G-cars, it could be that one of the 2 wires on the switch has come off. Or it could be a failed switch.

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Darin;

The factory manuals are available for purchase or download (still have to pay a fee) or they show up on ebay as manuals or as cloned .pdf CDs. It is a worthwile investmet to have a set of service and parts manuals. If you are going to do your own work they are pretty much a necessity....Well they make life a whole lot less complicated. for your '97 there are something like 7 manuals that make up the set.

Here are a few otpions for sources:

JAE Parts, Goleta Californai sells the books. Also, if you are only looking for a page or 2 and you are a customer, Jeff or Jay may be willing to fax you the page that you need.
JAE - Vintage and late model Lotus car parts specialists

Lotus Esprit World has them for download reference if you are a member:
Esprit Technical Data

You might try searching the web to see if someone has posted a copy of the manuals on a site like pdftown or similar.

Lastly you should consider joining the Turbo Esprit list on Yahoo Groups. It is an extremely valuable resource. A pretty knowledgeable group.

Good luck.

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Darin,

I have a V8 shop/service manual on a pdf file. Shoot me & email & we can discuss how to get a copy to you. It's about 60 MB.

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Ok, found the relay you were talking about, I checked the wiring, all tight and no lights, so I jumped the wires for a quick second and the lights came on. So, bad relay, the question is, how the hell do I get it off??? It is right at the brake pedal as described. Alan is sending me the PDF on Monday once I get e-mail restrictions for file size lifted, but in the mean time has anyone replaced one of these relays and can tell me how to get it off? I'll fart around with this this afternoon, but any advice is greatly appreciated.

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Update on how I am doing -- So, after contourting myself to get next to the break pedal, I found that the connection is a little loose and after farting around with it got it to work, however once I depressed the break a couple times, it would stop working. Here is the trick that worked for me, the connector slides on the connections, the relay unit is right next to it providing the ability to 'wedge' a little something between the connector and relay, it works like a gem. Put a little contact cement on the 'wedge' and it says firm, problem solved for now.

What I really need to do is replace the connector and probably relay unit just to be safe, so where would I get this?

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Darin;

If the relay is a Lotus specific unit (like the Hella brand turn signal flasher on my cars) you will want to get your replacement relay from one of the Lotus parts replacement sources or a local dealer. However, you are probably already aware that you will pay a premium price when you buy parts from the dealer. The independent Lotus suppliers are generally significantly less expensive for the same parts as the dealer. That said, the primary independent suppliers are:

JAE Lotus Parts (in California) contact Jeff or Jay:
JAE - Vintage and late model Lotus car parts specialists

RD Enterprises (in Pennsylvania) contact Ray:
r.d. enterprises ltd. Home Page

Dave Bean Engineering (in California):
Dave Bean Engineering, Inc. The Official Vintage Lotus Car Parts Distributor

In addition to the above listed new parts suppliers there are also a couple of wrecking yards that either specialize in Lotus (Frank @ SCW) or have some lotus cars that are being parted out. The 2 that I know about are:

Lotus only wrecking yard w/ lots of Esprit parts:
Sports Car World (in Texas), contact Frank:
Sports Car World - Lotus

Lotus (and others) wrecking yard:
Lotus Recycling (in California):
Used Lotus, vehicle parts & repairables


I have bought parts from all of the above except for Lotus Recycling. All of those that I have bought from have been honest, professional and helpful. Jeff & Jay @ JAE and Frank @ SCW have proven to be particularly supportive and helpful to me over the years. All of these guys (that I have bought from)provide excellent service.

The usual disclaimers apply, i.e. I have no afilliation with any of these vendors.

It sounds like you are just getting started with the Esprit experience, at least on the self service side of ownership. There are quite a few excellent resources available on the web that you will find helpful over time. Besides this forum there is also the Yahoo groups Turboesprit list. There are a lot of long term Esprit owners there, many V8 owners. That list provides a large U.S. ownership knowledge base:

turboesprit : The OLDEST Turboesprit group on the Net

Also, here is a very helpful link for Dr. Hess' Esprit parts substitution list that you should keep on hand:

Crystal Princess

Another couple of links that provide excellent resources are:

Lotus Esprit Fact File (in U.S. with international links):
The Official Lotus Esprit Fact File

Lotus Esprit World (in U.K. but international in scope):
Lotus Esprit World

I hope that some of this may help out.

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Darin, it's nice that you just isolated the issue now...btw...how do you like working on the pedals? LOL...that's my least favorite (working on something under the steering column)...gives me a lower pain every time!!

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I used to have a Porsche 914 and a 1988 Fiero GT, both very similarly tight under the column and just as painful. Once I got under the pedal to check things out, I was stuck for about 5 minutes, just short of panic! While I've sort of fixed the issue, it is only a matter of time before it probably fails, so I've only managed to delay things for a short time. I'll be ordering the replacement parts and then it is time to figure out how to remove the relay and put it all back again. ACK!

Darin

Darin, it's nice that you just isolated the issue now...btw...how do you like working on the pedals? LOL...that's my least favorite (working on something under the steering column)...gives me a lower pain every time!!

Alan
 
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