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Someone wanted to see some pics of the Elise tail lights at night so here's a few... turn signals flashing as well.
 

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thanks for the pics!

What the hell? the indicator is the half red circle? that's retarded. I know the amber works. It looks like I'm going to have to rewire the whole thing. I don't like the split taillights. I was hoping for the outer FULL circle for night, then the inner FULL circle for braking.

here! And in the Bristol Run 2 video from 3:40 to 3:45 the Elise is using the amber right indicator.
 

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Nice pic.

The laws here are pretty specific, the light must be visible from some predetermined distance. My guess is that the small amber ones just didn't cut it.
 

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Nice pic.

The laws here are pretty specific, the light must be visible from some predetermined distance. My guess is that the small amber ones just didn't cut it.
yeah, they are pretty damn small and would be hard to see during the day. Is there any bulb or wiring harness that leads to the inner circle? How about the reverse lights? I'm sure those lights come on, wouldn't be able to use red for those. LOL
 

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Is there any bulb or wiring harness that leads to the inner circle? How about the reverse lights? I'm sure those lights come on, wouldn't be able to use red for those. LOL
There is no bulb or harness at the amber lense location, but it looks like it will accept the same as used for the reverse lights.
 

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arcane US light regulations

I remember Nick Adams discussing the lighting at the LA Auto Show. I do not remember exactly but it went something like this...(I wish Nick could get on line like he used to with Lotus Life...)

There is a specific regulation about not having multiple tail lamps far apart. I guess the regulators were worried about covering the entire rear of a car with many lamps, leading to confusion when one or many turned on. Is that a turn or a stop and is it left or right?

So when Lotus went for certification, the lamps as configured were not allowed. They needed to combine functions into a single lamp because the two as used in Europe were too far apart.

(Nick also tells about seeing the Ferrari with the twin tail lamps similar to the Elise, and wondering how it was certified. Apparently they were cast as a single plastic unit behind the body work and so were acceptable. How is that for government bureaucracy? Lotus thought about doing the same but the twin lamps were already certified and the government would not budge.)

I suppose the using of the outside for braking and the inside for turn (or the opposite) combines both turn and brake functions into each unit, making it acceptable.

Sure looks confusing to me...

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So when Lotus went for certification, the lamps as configured were not allowed. They needed to combine functions into a single lamp because the two as used in Europe were too far apart.
OMG. This car is small, nothing on it is far apart. I sometimes wonder about the rules & regulations of this country... :rolleyes:

Oh, I'll be rewiring mine as I stated before, so regulations...KISS MY ASS!!! :clap:
 

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OMG. This car is small, nothing on it is far apart. I sometimes wonder about the rules & regulations of this country... :rolleyes:

Oh, I'll be rewiring mine as I stated before, so regulations...KISS MY ASS!!! :clap:
Shay, Did I mention that I work for the DOT? I'm going to go inspect your car as soon as you get it and make sure those lights still comply with our beloved rules! ;) Just a joke!

Thinking about it, poor car manufacturers, each country has its own crazy regulations, trying to design a car that meets regulations for markets all over the world must be a royal PIA!

Make sure you guys let us know how you rewire the thing. I think making the inside for brakes and the outers for turning would make more sense or else using both inners and outers for brakes and the amber for turning.
 

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Shay2nak, please document how you do it. I will be changing mine as this layout is really really lame!
 

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You guys are so funny and anal! Why would you care about the pattern that your tail lights blink? Besides, how can you stand to have your car in the garage being overhauled when you could be out driving in a canyon? No harm intended....just curious.
 

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I actually *like* the way Lotus did these lights - they look great. Here are some images of my car from a recent drive:

Parking lights only:
 

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2. Parking and brake lights

With just the parking lights, it looks almost like a pair of glowing red eyeballs!
 

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I prefer as much lighting as possible for braking, so I'd be inclined to mod it to use all of the red for braking (with amber for turns). Too many people out there not paying attention -- the more red, the better!
 
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