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Unusual rear inner toe link failure

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First of all, this wasn't my car!

An Elise had an unfortunate 'off' at a track day today; the car suffered a very heavy hit to the front 3/4, though the rear left wheel had enough of a hit to destroy the clamshell and fracture the brake disc where it connects to the disc's hat section. Anyway, the odd thing was the rear inner toe link on that impacted corner. With all the talk about this joint, checking its torque and all, I'd come to the belief that if it fails, it would be due to shear of the bolt itself. Hence the nature of the rear toe link braces, that put that bolt in double shear to increase its strength. Now, this Elise, we don't know exactly what happened to it, though the images show enough to judge how the impacts were. We DO know that the car dug in the dirt quite extensively, which could explain the failure here. You see, the rear inner toe link broke, but it didn't shear, the threaded portion of the link itself bent and finally snapped. See the photo below. It's a strange failure, any guesses as to why it broke like this rather than shearing the attaching bolt?

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Here's a closer shot of the joint. Note the large round joint on the left, with the remnant of the threaded portion - badly bent - coming out the bottom (I'm assuming it just freely rotated to that position).

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this car hit the wall at LS i was there. carl
Carl - I don't see how hitting a wall would cause this type of failure? It looks like the inner attachment bolt was loose and was able to stretch as the inner joint pulled it away from the subframe, until it had rotated enough that the toe link could then buckle, causing the failure here. The thing is, it shouldn't happen like this! If the inner joint is tight, that bolt should shear first. I'm wondering, did they increase the size of that bolt? This was an '06.

Andy - interesting, thanks!
Andy - how confident are you that your toe link joint was properly torqued?
MattG said:
Andy - how confident are you that your toe link joint was properly torqued?
I had just gotten the car back from the 7,500 mile service a few days before. Plus I had checked the torque after the previous track day, but that was at maybe 5,000 miles. So I'm reasonably confident, but not 100%.
Sounds about as close to 100% as you can get. Ok, I guess this isn't such an 'unusual rear inner toe link failure' after all then...
I took a moment to re-read what I posted right after my accident. Not only had I just had the 7,500 mile service, I had the rack replaced and an alignment done. I think it's unlikely that lack of torque on that bolt was an issue.
you need to see the pictures the car,it was totaled. both air bags went off and it bent the lower rear control arm like a pretzel. carl
this wreck was off the corkscrew? hope the driver came out ok - was he wearing stock belts?
MattG said:
Anyway, the odd thing was the rear inner toe link on that impacted corner. With all the talk about this joint, checking its torque and all, I'd come to the belief that if it fails, it would be due to shear of the bolt itself.
No. AFAIK this is basically they way it should fail in case of an overload situation and protect the subframe from further damage.

Either this or the track rod tube itself folds up, although that also usually causes this failure as the joint is then over-extended in one direction and the threaded portion into the track rod tube breaks.

The bolt that goes through the subframe should not fail.

Bye, Arno.
And can anyone fairly call this a "failure"? To me, a suspension part "failure" happens suddenly, catastrophically, during regular driving (on the track or otherwise). No, in my world of definitions once you have a major impact, parts are forgiven if they break apart here and there. (That said, I would argue that if some type of passive safety system failed -- one that was designed to behave a certain way during impacts -- then this would in fact be a failure.)
Failure is the engineering term for "gives up the ghost" in this sense. Excessive force beyond spec may be what caused the failure, but since the part broke, the term "failure" applies.
JonOrangeElise said:
And can anyone fairly call this a "failure"? To me, a suspension part "failure" happens suddenly, catastrophically, during regular driving (on the track or otherwise). No, in my world of definitions once you have a major impact, parts are forgiven if they break apart here and there. (That said, I would argue that if some type of passive safety system failed -- one that was designed to behave a certain way during impacts -- then this would in fact be a failure.)
I see your point; I'm an engineer and it's like Nak says, I'm using this term not to indicate fault with the design but just that the part 'broke'. I strongly believe that this failure was caused by the impact to the rear wheel, as evidenced by other damage in that area. I mention the wheel dug into the dirt; I only mentioned that because I wondered if that might have influenced how this joint failed, not that it failed in the first place.
Matt
thanks for the pics. Wish i could see more of them though. I don't have the standard ball joint type ends on my car and would like to see one for sure. Anyway, it appears there's a threaded stub remaining in the tubular adjuster rod. Force caused the parts to fail obviously. The threaded portion of the stud failed because threads are the area that's most likely to fail. It's like having stress risers in the area. The threaded end of the joint cracked in the low part (root if you will of the threads and then continued across the remaining cross section until it failed conpletely.

Now this part needs to be understood. If you guys take a look at your cars, you will see that the toe rod and it's attached threaded rod ends do not intersect the studs (in the case of the ball join type end) or bolts (in the case of the heim style ends) at a 90 degree angle. They don't meet it perpendicularly, they meet it at an angle. I've measured it and posted on this before. It's at least 11 degrees, I think maybe more. I went thru this when I made my setup and had to figure the angle the Aurora joint could handle.

When the rod and it's end transfers force to the thru frame stud or bolt, it's not in true shear. That's why the thru frame fastener got bent. You're trying to push sideways and outwards also. When the thru frame stud from the ball joint bent inwards, it's angle changed. it may have exceeded what the ball inside was able to accept for an angle. A majority of the Aurora's accept 14 to 16 degrees. If that was the case, it hit a stopped rotating and the adjuster end of the joint failed because it bent and broke. Now I don't have one to examine, but the adjusted end obviously bent before breaking. It's also obvious that it didn't fail under compression or tension.
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MattG said:
I don't see how hitting a wall would cause this type of failure? It looks like the inner attachment bolt was loose and was able to stretch as the inner joint pulled it away from the subframe, until it had rotated enough that the toe link could then buckle, causing the failure here. The thing is, it shouldn't happen like this!
It should "fail" exactly the way that it did.

In the first diagram below, the force (in red) is exerted along the toe-link to the ball joint. The ball joint resists this force by holding laterally in single shear with the mounting bolt (the blue lines). But part of the force exerted on the ball joint acts as a rotational moment around the ball joint. That is resisted as a torque (bending) of the ball joint mounting stud. The premature failure of the inner ball joint happens when the ball joint mounting stud is not tight - this allows the mall joint to move around and causes the mounting bolt to dynamically bend back and forth causing the bolt to fatigue and fail.

But the designed in "failure mode" is shown in the second diagram below. In this case, the force on the toe-link is greater than it should be (due to impact). The bending moment about the ball joint is greater than the strength of the threaded connection between the ball joint and the toe-link rod, causing that threaded section to yield (bend). When the force exceeds the ultimate strength of that section, it breaks, stopping the force from being transfered to the chassis by the ball joint. The ball joint fails, and the chassis is undamaged.

In the third diagram, the double shear joint is shown. Again, the force is in red, exerted along the toe-link rod. But there is not bending moment about the Heim joint at the chassis mount. The force is exerted laterally by the rod and resisted latterly by mounting bolts and brackets. There is no bending moment. The result is that if the force along the toe-link rod is too great (as from an impact), that force will be completely transfered to the chassis. There is no part that will bend and fail before transferring that load to the chassis. There is no sacrificial part. The joint is stronger, but the failure mode transfers the damage to the chassis.

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Tim, are you saying the line of force does not intersect the center of the ball on the stock setup?
R T said:
Tim, are you saying the line of force does not intersect the center of the ball on the stock setup?
The line of force does pass through the center of the ball. But the center of the ball is spaced away from the chassis, causing a bending moment about the ball joint's mounting bolt. So the ball joint must withstand a rotational force (about the mounting stud) as well as a lateral force (shear on the stud). The Heim joint does not have the rotational forces...
MattG said:
I see your point; I'm an engineer and it's like Nak says, I'm using this term not to indicate fault with the design but just that the part 'broke'. .
I stand corrected.

Signed, Jon -- NOT an engineer. :rolleyes:
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